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01-27-2009, 09:36 PM
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All I'm asking for next game is for Carbo to reunite the A.Kost-Koivu-D'ags line.....or at least give the actual Kost/Lang line it's fair share of shifts.

That, and for Bob to realize that this team is in trouble, especially comes the playoffs.

Tonight was like watching reruns of Sergei Samsonov's Habs season highlights......

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Be interesting to see how they come out against Boston this weekend.

Considering it's a matinee game, and their 3rd game in 4 days....hopefully better than what I'm thinking.

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If everyone worked as hard as Maxim Lapierre, this team would be very tough to beat.

I think the "we need toughness baaadly" crowd is overreacting at the moment but there does seem to be an alarming deficiency in the effort level. As Pierre McGuire says, "ZOMG! There's just no pushback right now!!! You're in a losing situation and you need some pushback from your top players!!!!"

When you're 4th line is your best line your going to lose a lot of games. Simple as that. Right now Max & co. are the only ones giving us a legitimate effort. Once the other guys start paying the price to make the plays and giving more to the team we'll get back to winning.

And please forgive me for blaspheming but Price was weak again tonight after Wednesday's subpar outing. I can only imagine the reactions if Halak had been in net both nights.

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Nobody is hungry for a Cup.

Carbo should call everyone one at a time into his office and ask them:

"Answer me quick in 1 second, "DO YOU WANT THE CUP!?""
Lats just ask for a cup of poutine

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Is that the bandwagon?

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Please get help on Defense before I punch my LCD. While you are at it, ask Hamrlik for a refund.
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So basically this is just a way to tell everyone that you have a LCD tv huh?

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we should win on thursday vs florida, weve owned them this year but the weeked games, who knows...the kings are a young hungry team and their effort will certainly be there so we could be in tough and the bruins, well, seems to me that weve switched positions from last year, they find a way, any way, to beat us despite us outplaying them so im not optimistic for the weekend but im rarely optimistic so...

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What did Carbo have to say after this game? Would anyone here be upset if Carbo sat Pleks in the pressbox for a game or 2 to try and shake him out of this season long funk he is in..It seemed to have worked for Laps this season.....

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01-27-2009, 09:40 PM
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If everyone worked as hard as Maxim Lapierre, this team would be very tough to beat.

I think the "we need toughness baaadly" crowd is overreacting at the moment but there does seem to be an alarming deficiency in the effort level. As Pierre McGuire says, "ZOMG! There's just no pushback right now!!! You're in a losing situation and you need some pushback from your top players!!!!"

When you're 4th line is your best line your going to lose a lot of games. Simple as that. Right now Max & co. are the only ones giving us a legitimate effort. Once the other guys start paying the price to make the plays and giving more to the team we'll get back to winning.

And please forgive me for blaspheming but Price was weak again tonight after Wednesday's subpar outing. I can only imagine the reactions if Halak had been in net both nights.
Let's put it simply: same game with Halak in net, this thread would have 6 pages already.

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01-27-2009, 09:40 PM
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Everything is fine. Everybody is great. Tomorrow is a another day. Better days will be coming. The future is near. Let's hope for the best.

I will copy and paste this after every loss....,cause there's NEVER anything to be worried about 'cause evidently Gainey HAS to know what he's doing. I mean clearly having 12 guys with no contracts for next year IS what was needed on that team.....probably the reason why after 3 succesful seasons, Ryder stopped caring for a team that was giving him 1-year contract every freakin year....And now on a team that rolls 4 lines where players will clearly be unsatisfied with their icetime, you have 10ish guys with no contracts playing for stats but not getting any 'cause of the way they are being used.....but Carbo clearly knows what he's doing.

But everything is just great....CLEARLY I'm just panicking because of that one single game....

I'll be more positive tomorrow, don't feel like it tonight....I was not expecting that kinda of performance tonight....I still believe that there are more problems to this team than we would all like to pretend especially if the goal is to go far in the playoffs.

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Like to see our two leading goal scorers play more than an occasional shift.

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Ahhh! Montreal lost! Panic! PANIC!

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Did I read that correctly? 3 goals on 6 shots in the 2nd? I'm gonna have to go back through the GDT (just finished teaching) to see what the F was up there, but wow.

Oh, and I thought that a team with the Habs' "speed" wasn't supposed to get so many holding and hooking penalties. Seriously, what is up with that lately...

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It's the first time we lose three staight..

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2nd this year

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i know what will cheer me up.. il go watch " Friends "

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27 shots in 1 period.. almost like the avg of 60 min. in other games..

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I still believe that there are more problems to this team than we would all like to pretend.
I don't know. There have been some people like myself, who have been saying this team does not look like it could go all the way from the very beginning. Others were quickly jumping their throat with excuses. I lost count now, what is it this time? Too early in the season, injuries, backup goalie, tough road stretch, lacking power play...I'm sure I'm missing tons more.

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We did play badly..But TB got so lucky.

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Everything is fine. Everybody is great. Tomorrow is a another day. Better days will be coming. The future is near. Let's hope for the best.

I will copy and paste this after every loss....,cause there's NEVER anything to be worried about 'cause evidently Gainey HAS to know what he's doing. I mean clearly having 12 guys with no contracts for next year IS what was needed on that team.....probably the reason why after 3 succesful seasons, Ryder stopped caring for a team that was giving him 1-year contract every freakin year....And now on a team that rolls 4 lines where players will clearly be unsatisfied with their icetime, you have 10ish guys with no contracts playing for stats but not getting any 'cause of the way they are being used.....but Carbo clearly knows what he's doing.

But everything is just great....CLEARLY I'm just panicking because of that one single game....

I'll be more positive tomorrow, don't feel like it tonight....I was not expecting that kinda of performance tonight....I still believe that there are more problems to this team than we would all like to pretend especially if the goal is to go far in the playoffs.
methinks you have been listening to pierre mcguire....oh and i totally agree with you, this is and will be biting us in the ass this summer

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I find it concerning that Gainey can't give this team anything close to the overall grit and defensive ability his team in Dallas had. What happened? The teams Julien had were coached as defense-first squads but were too small and too unimposing to make that work. Julien got fired for trying to fit the round peg into a square hole. So he coaches Jersey, gets fired for whatever reason and now has a team in Boston that has the makeup WE should have had for him in Montreal. He has his skilled guys but also has rugged d-men like Chara, Ward, Wideman and has defensive specialists like Yelle (>>Juneau, Dackell, Sundstrom, etc.).

He also has north-south players, not east-west guys. Their scorers (Kessel, Savard, Krejci, Lucic, Wheeler) have the ability to keep the game up the middle not the perimeter. It's obvious their system is right for Julien and very effective overall when our own Ryder is on pace for a career year, this coming off a 14 goal season for us. Something ain't right here. I betcha a sissy like Pleks could find a role in Boston. You put Lucic or Wheeler on his wing and he would not struggle this badly. The Habs are asking soft players to rely on their own physicality to win battles for the goals. And when the Habs play teams that can keep them to the outsides, especially when it's on the road, they're hooped.

Plus, the team has no mental focus when it can beat great to decent teams like Detroit, NY Rangers, Philly, Minnesota, Phoenix. We raise our game when the opponent is good, which is what worse teams do with us. Fair enough. But unlike the true best teams in the league, we don't react to the efforts of the "inferior" team and get beat constantly by these sub-.500 teams, especially those from the Southeast. The teams with winning records have not frustrated us the way worse teams have, save for Carolina and Jersey who have been doing this for years. Rene Bourque was available in the off-season if he could be had by Calgary for a 2nd rounder. Now, a guy like Bourque would be just what we need on one of our top 2 lines but there seemed no point once Lang and Tanguay were picked up. Gainey should have targeted gritty scorers in the off-srason because great GMs can find these gems.

The fact the best UFAs turn us down hurts, but it shouldn't be the biggest reason why we can't manage great finds in the off-season. You can't get these guys in trades very often during the regular season because the price is usually higher. And those who think things would change if Carbo was fired are partially right as long as he was replaced by a more experienced coach, like a Torterella. But a French-speaking coach is needed and I'm sure Carbo would land on his feet with a defensive-oriented team properly geared to that style. We don't have the right mix of grit on our scoring lines and the only line that plays good D is any line with Lapierre and Kosto or Begin on it. Not good enough.

We don't need a shutdown line so much as we need 4 lines that can hold their own physically and not suck defensively. The D corps worries me a lot less than the defensive efforts from those up front, who only compound the problem. Boy, this rant feels familiar. I've only been saying it on occasion since the lockout ended.

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Like to see our two leading goal scorers play more than an occasional shift.
Maybe they should put more of an effort, then they will get the icetime.

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We'll see what happens in less than 2 weeks in their barn where they're money.
I'm curious. The Flames aren't a bottom-feeder so the Habs should show up. Hopefully Price will be back to form by then.

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And if you don't think the Flames model of play is one the Habs would be better with or could adapt to, you're too trusting in the current team.
I think you're severely underrating the current roster, myself.

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These current Habs would need way better toughness
I'm still waiting to read who'd get dropped to make room for said toughness. I can buy Plekanec, if one can produce a credible second-line-plus center with the required attributes, which isn't bloody likely. Otherwise, I can't see how this can realistically be done without making the team significantly worse.

I'm also waiting for people who wail for more grit to look at the Bruins' forward roster. Outside of Lucic, their scorers aren't exactly oozing with toughness.

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I'm trying to approach this messy situation with reality. And the reality is, the Habs are a middle of the pack playoff team in the East.
The "middle of the pack" in the East means on a level with Washington, Philly, New Jersey, and the Rangers, who are all clustered around the same level. Boston is way ahead (and playing over their heads, IMO); the other playoff teams are well behind.

Your "middle of the pack" statement is correct. However, given the situation in the East I fail to see how it is dramatic. Montreal is about as good as any team in that pack, and I think they're better than at least half of them when healthy and playing well. The only problem they have is that due to inane division seeding the best Montreal can hope for is a 4th seed unless Boston comes down to Earth.

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teams like the Devils have zoomed past us.
Define "zoomed". I think the results of tonight put the Devils on pace for one more point than the Habs, whereas previously this was reserved. I'm not even actually sure they passed Montreal.

Philly losing means that Montreal maintains its fourth rank, if you ignore pointless newspaper standings that don't adjust for games in hand.

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Same problem we've had the last three years, players don't look motivated at all. Those who leave the team become different players who actually work every game. Players keep changing, but the teams style keeps staying the same. There's a point where the players are no longer the problem and you got to look elsewhere.
The problem of unmotivated/perimeter players has been there for a lot more than 3 years. It was there under Vigneault, Therrien and Julien too. The only thing that has changed is that there seems to be a higher quality of perimeter player than there used to be. It's an organizational issue with the composition of the team that was present under Savard and is still present under Gainey. The coach is not the problem the make-up of the team is.

I would like to know who all these players who leave the team and suddenly become consistent and work every game are.

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Ahhh! Montreal lost! Panic! PANIC!
There are reasons to worry.

4 losses in the last 5 and the only win wasn't convincing at all (3-2 against Nashville at home in which they only got 20 SOG)

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