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01-30-2009, 02:06 PM
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Dominic Moore

Just wondering if theres any interest in him, I personally would not mind keeping him.

Great Waiver pick up imo.

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01-30-2009, 02:23 PM
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Just wondering if theres any interest in him, I personally would not mind keeping him.

Great Waiver pick up imo.
This is a strange one. GM's around the league will have some interest but I dont think the leafs would get more then a 3rd or a 4th for him and for that it might just be better to keep him.
He is one of those players that are just worth more to the team they are playing for then they would be around the league.

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01-30-2009, 02:43 PM
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I think mostttt we can get for him is a 2nd and a prospect....thats if were lucky and a bidding war happens at the deadline

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I think he's going to be a player Burke keeps.

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01-30-2009, 02:45 PM
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I wouldn't move him for anything less than a 1st personally (Yes, a 1st is DRAMATIC overpayment). However, right now Moore is an absolute stud for us, and has been one of our best forwards all year. Great in both ends, I would be ecstatic if he stayed around through the rebuild.

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01-30-2009, 02:49 PM
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Do you think Steve's brother wants to be on a Burke team?

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it's a trick

get an axe

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Do you think Steve's brother wants to be on a Burke team?
I think a Harvard grad like Dom is smart enough to understand that hockey is a business and what happened between his brother and players that used to play on a team Burke managed have nothing to do with him. He doesn't seem to have problems playing with May and Burke is to classy to have acquired him with out saying something to Moore first.
Also he is now playing the best hockey of his career playing for the team he grew up watching. Yea I'm sure he doesn't like it at all.

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I think mostttt we can get for him is a 2nd and a prospect....thats if were lucky and a bidding war happens at the deadline
No offense guys, but Moore is a bad player for a good team. He is a good player for a bad team. You won't get much for him. A 3rd rounder has been his asking price in the past.

On a playoff team, he is too physically weak to play a checking role, and he isn't offensively gifted enough to play a top-6 role. That means he has little trade value.

He's just one of those guys who can put up some points if he's given tons of minutes and PP time, but he's always going to be pushed out of the line-up on good teams.

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Do you think Steve's brother wants to be on a Burke team?
don't think he cares... he's a pro.

and if he does care, i highly doubt he'd let it influence his play, in fact he's im proved drastically.

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Untouchable.

Keep Moore. Sign him to an extension. 4yrs at 2.2 million per. Make him Captain!


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01-30-2009, 03:11 PM
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No offense guys, but Moore is a bad player for a good team. He is a good player for a bad team. You won't get much for him. A 3rd rounder has been his asking price in the past.

On a playoff team, he is too physically weak to play a checking role, and he isn't offensively gifted enough to play a top-6 role. That means he has little trade value.

He's just one of those guys who can put up some points if he's given tons of minutes and PP time, but he's always going to be pushed out of the line-up on good teams.
In the past he had a career high of 18 points, and now he is on pace for just shy of 50.

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01-30-2009, 03:16 PM
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Yeah, he's dramatically better than when he was in Minnesota. I hope he stays through the rebuild, there's no need to lose a heart and soul guy like that who's clicking with Blake for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

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don't think he cares... he's a pro.

and if he does care, i highly doubt he'd let it influence his play, in fact he's im proved drastically.
Yes he cares as evidensed by him only signing a 1 year deal on the chance that Burke would become the GM. This has been a topic on PrimeTime Sports in the past and unfortunately it will limit his marketability and Burke does not want a guy on his team who's brother is suing him - kind of a conflict of interest if an edict should come from the GM to play a physical game.

A 2nd is a stretch but a 3rd is realistic.

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In the past he had a career high of 18 points, and now he is on pace for just shy of 50.
How does that disprove my point? Toronto will get next to nothing for Moore if they trade him.

Name me one playoff team where Moore would play in the top-6? You won't find one.

That means, ANY team is traded to, he will be pushed into the bottom-6 automatically. And Moore is terrible for the bottom-6. He is too soft and to weak in the corners and front of the net.

No team is going to want to put Moore on their 3rd line, thereby matching him up against the 1st line forwards in the league. He's had to do that in his past, and he wasn't good at it then. That's why the Pens traded him, and that's why the Wild waived him.

That means that Moore is getting pushed to the 4th line on any playoff team where he is getting limited minutes and limited linemates. No more easy points. Instantly your "50-point" center becomes a "15-point" center. And at that point, most teams rather have some developing young player in the 4th line center role than a journeyman who really isn't that good at defense.

Trust me. Moore should stay on Toronto. He can get big minutes, better linemates, and PP time that way. He can put up some points that way. And he can make posters think they can get more than a 3rd rounder for him that way.

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01-30-2009, 03:24 PM
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No team is going to want to put Moore on their 3rd line, thereby matching him up against the 1st line forwards in the league. He's had to do that in his past, and he wasn't good at it then. That's why the Pens traded him, and that's why the Wild waived him.
Moore hasn't been playing a top six role all season with Toronto, and contrary to your belief, players can indeed improve as their careers progress.

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01-30-2009, 03:28 PM
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Yeah, he's dramatically better than when he was in Minnesota. I hope he stays through the rebuild, there's no need to lose a heart and soul guy like that who's clicking with Blake for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Moore is a lot like Mark Parrish. There are those certain players that are just more effective on worst teams than they are on good teams. I know it seems counterintuitive, but it's true.

He'll put up a ton of numbers on bad teams, because he becomes one of the go-to players, as there is nobody else. He has some skill, so he'll get some points. But on a good team, he'll fall in that void between the 2nd and 3rd lines, where he's not skilled enough for the top lines, but not strong/physical/defensive/energetic/young enough for the bottom lines.

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01-30-2009, 03:36 PM
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Moore is a lot like Mark Parrish. There are those certain players that are just more effective on worst teams than they are on good teams. I know it seems counterintuitive, but it's true.

He'll put up a ton of numbers on bad teams, because he becomes one of the go-to players, as there is nobody else. He has some skill, so he'll get some points. But on a good team, he'll fall in that void between the 2nd and 3rd lines, where he's not skilled enough for the top lines, but not strong/physical/defensive/energetic/young enough for the bottom lines.
He's not really here to put up points though, thats just a bit of a bonus for now. I see him as a good third line centre, very responsible defensively, with great wheels. I'm not saying he's worth a lot in trade - my point was that I think he's worth more to the leafs right now than he would get in return from a playoff team.

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Pittsburgh traded Dominic Moore to Minnesota at the 2007 deadline for a 3rd round pick.

This is before his progression to what he is now. I hope we keep him, he's one of the best third line players we've had in years. Reminds me of a young Tom Fitzgerald.

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He's not really here to put up points though, thats just a bit of a bonus for now. I see him as a good third line centre, very responsible defensively, with great wheels. I'm not saying he's worth a lot in trade - my point was that I think he's worth more to the leafs right now than he would get in return from a playoff team.
I 100 percent agree. I was just responding to the posters who think they can get a 2nd and prospect for Moore. I just don't see it. Toronto should be glad that he is producing on continue to use him as they are doing.

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He's just one of those guys who can put up some points if he's given tons of minutes and PP time, but he's always going to be pushed out of the line-up on good teams.
Well, Moore's been centring the Leafs third line all year, behind Stajan/Antropov on the first line and Grabo on the second, and he averages just over a minute of PP time a game, 10th amongst Leaf forwards...

He does lead Leaf forwards in short-handed time-on-ice, quite easily, though.

Nice theory, it just doesn't apply to this situation.

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I think a 3rd rounder is appropriate.

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Leafs are better off signing him then trading him off. You will likely get a similar package to Hal Gill: 2nd round pick and 4th round pick.

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I think a 3rd rounder is appropriate.
Then Toronto keeps him

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Then Toronto keeps him
agreed.
a if a 2nd rounder is offered might different.. but i dont think that happens.

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