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01-30-2009, 03:15 PM
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I guess you didn't watch him play before his injury or any playoff run for that matter.
Let's not make this a "I'm a bigger fan that you" argument. I watched every game for the past 3 years (with some exceptions of course).

Koivu is strictly mediocre in almost every aspect. It's sad but true, I used to be a Kovy-Basher but I can properly notice his talent and vision, Koivu lacks that.

Then again "CAPTIAN K IS HERE TO STAY!11" always trumps any argument, right?

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Let's not make this a "I'm a bigger fan that you" argument. I watched every game for the past 3 years (with some exceptions of course).

Koivu is strictly mediocre in almost every aspect. It's sad but true, I used to be a Kovy-Basher but I can properly notice his talent and vision, Koivu lacks that.

Then again "CAPTIAN K IS HERE TO STAY!11" always trumps any argument, right?
It's not an "I'm a bigger fan than you" argument. You can ask anyone on here about koivu being our best on ice leader, when does he take games off? Not often. And he turns it up a couple of notches in the playoffs, I do not think that is even disputable. He's almost at a PPG in the playoffs. Considering he usually plays with scrubs that is pretty impressive.

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Let's not make this a "I'm a bigger fan that you" argument. I watched every game for the past 3 years (with some exceptions of course).

Koivu is strictly mediocre in almost every aspect. It's sad but true, I used to be a Kovy-Basher but I can properly notice his talent and vision, Koivu lacks that.

Then again "CAPTIAN K IS HERE TO STAY!11" always trumps any argument, right?
Let's wait till someone else gets a hot season and then we will give them the "C".

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It's not an "I'm a bigger fan than you" argument. You can ask anyone on here about koivu being our best on ice leader, when does he take games off? Not often. And he turns it up a couple of notches in the playoffs, I do not think that is even disputable. He's almost at a PPG in the playoffs. Considering he usually plays with scrubs that is pretty impressive.
Keep a strong eye on him next game, you'll see what I'm talking about.

Koivu =/= 1st line material. Just keep that in mind.

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01-30-2009, 03:23 PM
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Maybe there is a power struggle between Koivu & Kovalev?....they both want to be captains and leaders....so who is the real voice in the dressing room for the young guys?
You are making things up.

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should we blame coaching and management for our problems?
Bashing Carbo on this board is cool, so yes i guess

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The real leader...... it must be.... someone here on HF.

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who's the the real leader?
Who the hell cares?

Koivu leads all the time. Kovalev leads when Kovalev feels like leading! Every leader on this team needs to take ownership of this team, grab the bull by the horns and start working their ***** off! Period!

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01-30-2009, 05:09 PM
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Hard when you're in the pressbox, but he's come back from injury, 2 points in last 3 games playing less minutes. His playoff performance last year(with an injured foot) speak for themselves. I've seen him motivate the team before, but I think the only thing is, he's too much of a nice guy, he needs to put his foot down and single out players.
That's my point..

Leader shouldn't be scared to say things no one wants to hear..

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Are you the leader of yourself or is it your manhood??

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01-30-2009, 05:39 PM
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Keep a strong eye on him next game, you'll see what I'm talking about.

Koivu =/= 1st line material. Just keep that in mind.
You do realize that how talented the player is has nothing to do with leadership, right?

Good god, imagine if Kovalev was the sole leader of this team. An ever bigger bunch of prima donnas. And in the playoffs they'd pull stupid stunts in the playoffs like Kovalev did in 04 - faking a wrist injury, turning over the puck to the Bruins, smashing into Souray, and letting them win the game.

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Koivu has been very mediocre as the on-ice captain. He does not "lead by example" like players like Yzerman, Sakic, Jagr even do. He never turns it up a notch to win the game.

Kovalev does, but he isn't the captain so there are conflicts.

I wouldn't be surprised if Koivu is not kept over the summer, his tenure here has been strickingly mediocre.
Lets see. Lets look at the teams.

Yzerman had Lidstrom, Chelios, Fedorov in his prime, Brett Hull etc
Sakic had Hejduk, Forsberg, Blake, Roy, Foote
Jagr had Lemieux.

The other thing is you are talking about 3 of the greatest players in history and leadership isn't about being the best player

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When people question Montreal's "leadership" my follow up question would be, who are Montreal's followers or what i would call foot soldiers? Guys that are willing to buy into the system, buy into the team.

A leader is as good as his followers. Gainey's Dallas Stars were filled with these foot soldiers. This habs team has Lapierre, Begin, and Kostopoulos amongst the forward group.

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since we haven't been able to capitalize on any of our good chances lately, I guess Higgins is the on-ice leader of this team right now

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These threads about leadership are so effin' stupid.

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Keep a strong eye on him next game, you'll see what I'm talking about.

Koivu =/= 1st line material. Just keep that in mind.
Then your arguement about Kovalev being a better leader is useless, they have very similar ppg totals over their career. Not to mention, PPG THIS year, koivu wins again. Besides, only first liners are captains? Since when?

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That's my point..

Leader shouldn't be scared to say things no one wants to hear..
There are quiet leaders too. Jay Bo is known as a leader but the guy is apparently shy as hell.

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Koivu is a leader, Kovalev is just old.

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Koivu is strictly mediocre in almost every aspect. It's sad but true, I used to be a Kovy-Basher but I can properly notice his talent and vision, Koivu lacks that.

Uh Koivu is mediocre compared to who? yes what an incredible lack of talent he has 5'11 under 200 pounds can't skate shoot pass or hit, but somehow he's been captain of the NHL's most storied franchise for 10 years. I guess he's been getting by on his looks for most of his career it's a good thing a ****ing Genius like you has come along to show us the way.

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All this propaganda going on on CKAC powered by Jean-Charles Lajoie is really starting to annoy me. On his show today he was still babbling about "we can only have one of them" and his guest said "well, we can't deny the facts". Jean-Charles' opinions are considered facts now. seriously? All this mess is based on pure speculations. Trying to find a problem somewhere where you'll never know the truth and where you can make up the stories as you wish.

Saku has been a great leader for our team for a very long time. He has made players who had no business scoring that many goals out of Zednik and Bulis. Where are they now without Saku, fell off the map! And he's the definition of a playoff warrior, always stepping up his game in the playoffs and led to various upsets with teams who had no business playing in the 2nd round.

And yet, people (media) keep ragging on him non-stop, trying to blame him for the unfortunate failures this team has suffered for the past ten years when he is probably one of the last one that sould be blamed. Why? Because he can't speak french? Ridiculous! He speaks 4 languages already! How many languages do the haters speak, one? two? Does not speaking french affects anything about hockey? Not at all.

Let the man play. He loves it here, wants to stay and have a lesser role (he said it) if necessary. Don't make him go away, harrassing him with childish speculations and false debates. You win cups with a guy like Saku Koivu, a guy who leaves it all on the ice.


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Koivu is a leader, Kovalev is just old.
That drew a chuckle out of me...

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Let's not make this a "I'm a bigger fan that you" argument. I watched every game for the past 3 years (with some exceptions of course).

Koivu is strictly mediocre in almost every aspect. It's sad but true, I used to be a Kovy-Basher but I can properly notice his talent and vision, Koivu lacks that.

Then again "CAPTIAN K IS HERE TO STAY!11" always trumps any argument, right?
Mediocre in almost every aspect? Lacks vision? Maybe you do?

Saku is probably the guy with the best on-ice vision on this team (you could make an argument for Markov). He anticipates plays and makes really great passes. How does Zednik score 30 goals with medicore passes? How does Jan Bulis score 20? D'agostini suddenly finds back his scoring touch when Saku comes back... Such mediocrity.

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How do these threads even exist? Koivu without a shadow of a doubt.

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Let's not make this a "I'm a bigger fan that you" argument. I watched every game for the past 3 years (with some exceptions of course).

Koivu is strictly mediocre in almost every aspect. It's sad but true, I used to be a Kovy-Basher but I can properly notice his talent and vision, Koivu lacks that.

Then again "CAPTIAN K IS HERE TO STAY!11" always trumps any argument, right?
GTFO!

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