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01-31-2009, 09:01 PM
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From Russia with love?

I believe this might have come up about a month ago, but I don't recall if anyone had an answer: When the KHL season is over, can the Russian players whose rights we own come over to play (read: Emelin, Valenteko)? If they were allowed to, would they get any playing time with the Habs?
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01-31-2009, 09:12 PM
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I believe this might have come up about a month ago, but I don't recall if anyone had an answer: When the KHL season is over, can the Russian players whose rights we own come over to play (read: Emelin, Valenteko)? If they were allowed to, would they get any playing time with the Habs?
Please enlighten me.
Emelin is about 100% to be coming over, but no official reports yet. No news from Valentenko yet.

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I believe they can, but they have to pass through waivers first.

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Emelin is about 100% to be coming over, but no official reports yet. No news from Valentenko yet.
how do you know it's 100%?

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I believe they can, but they have to pass through waivers first.
Are you serious? Even if its in the offseason? IF so then consider Emelin gone.

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I meant prior to the playoffs.

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how do you know it's 100%?
sources close to the organization.

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Are you serious? Even if its in the offseason? IF so then consider Emelin gone.
No definitely not the off-season. I think there is a rule in place that any player playing over seas has to pass through waivers during the regular season. Before they are allowed to play in the NHL. This way, NHL teams can't store players away.

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out of Perezhogin , i am not sure that our Russian prospects are ready to play here anyway .

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I believe they can, but they have to pass through waivers first.
It's only for professional or former professional players and since they were never signed to an NHL contract I doubt their playing time in Russia count as such. And for Valentenko, he technically has an NHL contract, so no waivers too.

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I think there is a rule in place that any player playing over seas has to pass through waivers during the regular season. Before they are allowed to play in the NHL. This way, NHL teams can't store players away.
Players signed to NHL contract and loaned in Europe don't have to be placed in waivers to come back.

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sources close to the organization.
what do your sources tell you about gainey signing impending UFAs?

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what do your sources tell you about gainey signing impending UFAs?
I'm not an insider and never was, just forwarding what sevil's sources said about emelin.

Nothing about ufa's though.

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Players signed to NHL contract and loaned in Europe don't have to be placed in waivers to come back.
So Dubielewicz had to go through waivers because he was unsigned UFA when brought back?

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So Dubielewicz had to go through waivers because he was unsigned UFA when brought back?
Not because he is UFA, because he is a professional player to was signed after the start of the season. A couple of seasons ago, Kovalchuk was RFA and he played 11 games in Russia before signing a new contract with Atlanta, if he had played there past the start of the NHL season, Thrashers would've had to put him on waivers.

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If they could bring Valentenko back and sign Emelin to a TO deal to finish the year in Hamilton, that'd be fine. I don't see either player on the immediate NHL radar anyway, so the waiver issue seems moot.

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It would be interesting to see Yemelin come over and try and be available for the pay-offs in case they get injuries. He got his KHL salary for this season, Yes?? This would be bonus play for bonus pay...

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I believe this might have come up about a month ago, but I don't recall if anyone had an answer: When the KHL season is over, can the Russian players whose rights we own come over to play (read: Emelin, Valenteko)? If they were allowed to, would they get any playing time with the Habs?
Please enlighten me.
All could except Perezhogin who I think would need to clear waivers, but I don't see the need for any of them at this point.

Emelin I would hope they will sign and bring over but I'd rather see him at camp in the fall and see how he does in preseason before considering him for an NHL spot as he has struggled in the RSL/KHL the past 2 seasons from what I've seen and heard.

Valentenko I would like to see him back in Hamilton but I don't know if the Habs would be on board with that or not, will be interesting to see what happens with him down the road.

Perezhogin I'd welcome back in the fall but with the season he's having he should get a decent contract in Russia so who knows what he will do.

Korneev I'd like to get over here in the fall, I have my doubts he would leave but with his improved play since joining A.Kostitsyn's former team CSKA, perhaps they could work something out with him where if he doesn't make the NHL he could go back to Russia where I'm sure he could easily find a team that will pay him well.

Turnev I have no clue, I hope he comes over to the CHL next year but I'd have major doubts about that since he's been getting more action in the KHL so he likely makes decent coin vs very little in the CHL. Portland sure looks stupid taking a guy that high in the import draft and then giving his rights away, so they surely don't expect him in NA next year. So who knows if or when we will ever see him, I've heard that he said he wanted to play in the NHL, I recall Valentenko saying that too, but the problem is the amount of money these kids get in the AHL (under 65K) vs what they will get in Russia (I'd guess 150K or so if they are young)

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how do you know it's 100%?
I recall at the draft Timmins was asked about Emelin and he seemed to think there was a decent chance of getting him over here after this season. So it sounds like he might come over, I haven't heard anything but I haven't asked either, to me I wouldn't really believe anything I heard anyways cause with him you just don't know as there's been some fishy things going on or so it appears at least.

But since he doesn't have a contract for next year yet, and with his struggles perhaps he will look to make the jump. Would be cool to see what he can do if he came over.

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i wanna see if Emelin can handle the NHL.
we def could use a pugnacious defender on the blue line.
i see him taking Bouillon's place in the near future, if he ever comes over here.

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As overrated emelin is on this board he probably couldnt be much worse then the bottom 2 or 3 on d in Montreal right now, I would be interested in seeing him over here sooner rather then later.

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It's only for professional or former professional players and since they were never signed to an NHL contract I doubt their playing time in Russia count as such. And for Valentenko, he technically has an NHL contract, so no waivers too.


Players signed to NHL contract and loaned in Europe don't have to be placed in waivers to come back.
Thanks for the correction thief, I wasn't quite sure of the rules.

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I believe they can, but they have to pass through waivers first.
I believe only if you sign a free agent does he have to then pass through waivers. If the player is already property of your team and you sign him, I don't think he needs to clear through waivers.

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I believe only if you sign a free agent does he have to then pass through waivers. If the player is already property of your team and you sign him, I don't think he needs to clear through waivers.
That makes sense, thanks Ferris.

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Update on Alexander Perezhogin !!



2008-09 Ufa Salavat Yulayev: 47 games - 28 goals - 21 assists 49 points - 26 PIMs

6th in the KHL scoring race... 2 points behind Jaromir Jagr (51 points) !!





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I believe this might have come up about a month ago, but I don't recall if anyone had an answer: When the KHL season is over, can the Russian players whose rights we own come over to play (read: Emelin, Valenteko)? If they were allowed to, would they get any playing time with the Habs?
Please enlighten me.
I can only assume you are kidding?

Re: Valenteko Considering how Valentenko did not even live up to his contract oblogations, he's unreliable (at best) - I would not want the guy on my roster or in my dressing room (tradebait maybe?).

Re: Emelin although he has a reputation as a good player, I don't know much about him. I do know that I would not draft or otherwise aquire any players from Russia - I would stick to Canadian & US born players!

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