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02-02-2009, 08:26 AM
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Ive been saying for a while that Kovy's attitude is a major prob for this team, he plays when he wants, the way he wants and you just cant have a structured hockey team when a big head like him doesnt play the system and doesnt even give a legitimate effort.. There is a reason why no one click with him.. Who cant play with Koivu outside Kovalev? Everyone playing with our little captain have some success.. Kovalev just drag the energy of his line (and of the whole team as well) down most of the time.. Plekanec lost any confidence this season, can it be entirely attribuable to Kovalev? Probably not, but one think I know, Pleks is playing way better hockey with new linemates on his sides.. What did A.Kost do when separated from Kovy a couple of weeks ago? Was flying out there, had his best moments of the season..

The moral of the story, Kovalev has only himself to blame, he has to earn his ice time like every ****ing players on this team, and it start by working hard every shift and being commited to pay the price just like the other 19 players on the ice.. If he isnt willing to do that, sorry but trade him for the most offering.. It lasted long enough, his little prima dona attitude can be replaced by 20 guys dedicated to work togheter as a team..

I was one of the rare who put the Perezhogin's depature on the back of Kovy.. Kovy was even worst 2 years ago that he is right now from, was often seeing with the kid after games.. His attitude probs have been pointed out (thx to the excellent job of Mattias Brunet) and Im convinced that Kovy had an influence (a bad one) of Perez's decision.. a good vet would have told him to be patient and that the money will come once established in the NHL.. Hypothetical, but that what I feel.. I would even say that Kovy vonlontary played bad 2 years ago to join the WC where the event was held in Russia.. He was talking of this WC with stars in the eyes, so I laughed a good shot when Russian national team did not even want him on their team.. Total humiliation.. Came back at the camp with ALOT to prove and you know the rest, he had a good season where there was much more regularity in his efforts...

I would try him for another game but if he plays like he played today and for the most part of the season, Im 100% in favour to bench him for a couple of games..
Agreed...that's the big thing with Kovalev.

When he plays like he wants and the results come (like last year) you can put up with some of the negatives, but when the results aren't there and he's still stubborn in his ways, it becomes a drag on the whole team. I'll often notice the Habs put together 2,3 strong shifts together, then Kovalev will come on and do his 'one man show' thing and it seems to just deflate the whole team. Then he'll stay on the ice longer, make risky passes, turn the puck over, take bad penalties and up until last week or so, he had not been paying the price for it.

The team needs him now more than ever, but he's got to buy into the team factor like he did last year, right now, he's playing like a guy who is just trying to assure he accumulates a point whenever he's on the ice, its like he's thinking whenever he has the puck, he has to make the scoring assist or score himself. It's just very selfish playing and it's way to obvious

I don't see him coming back, and depending how the season goes...i wouldn't be surprised to see Koivu go either (for different reasons)

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02-02-2009, 08:30 AM
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To me, it's pretty simple (I may be wrong, tho)

Kovalev : It's simply a normal season for him. It's last year that was special. That's the way it is/was his whole career. You don't change at 37 years old.

Plekanec : A bad season, like every player of his level of talent have from time to time. To me, he's somewhere between a bonafied third line center and an OK second line center. This year, he has a year where he would be better used as a third line center, being the shadow of the other team first center and playing PK. On another year, he could be a second line center if you coupled him with a true big star playing center on the first line (or playing with a Kovalev on one of his 3 best years -- like last year!)

S.Kost : Simply a second year young player confuse in the way he's trying to put all together (when to play fancy, when to hit everything, when to backcheck, when to go all out, etc.) He's just still learning to be a real NHLer on a nightly basis. Common stuff for a second year player. We can look around the league to see how often that kind of down year happen for second year players.

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You know you're in trouble when the "hero" of this team is well loved by the fans 'cause he "could" be exciting to watch and it's fun to see him dangling around.....This is hockey we're talking about.....the game itself....not a hockey version of the globetrotters....

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Let me put it this way guys:

Which second year or older forwards do you think are NOT underachieving for us this season?

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That's the thing, he has not played as well as he did in the last half of last year, not even close.

He used to be amazing to watch, dominant with the puck, used to make sweet plays. He was sick, and he showed he has all the talents of a 35-45-80 pt player. But he has 30 pts this year, VERY dissapointing.
Personally I don't even care about points.

Last year when he came up from Hamilton, he immediately came across as an intelligent hockey player that made some deft passes and very smart plays to preserve puck possession in the offensive zone.

This year, I haven't seen anything to be happy about at all.


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02-02-2009, 10:05 AM
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Plekanec is working really hard with no results, and I fear last year will end up being his only good offensive season in his career.

Sergei will have to become more strong, fast and intense for him to be effective in the NHL.

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The league has adapted to Plekanec and to a lesser extent S. Kost. Last year Pleks would literally sneak up on people and steal pucks from them in the corner and his speed would startle people. This year it's like none of that is working. Also, last year he would take the same bad shots he's taking this year and they'd go in. This year not so much.

Kovalev is just floating.

What all these guys can do is start going to the net. Just go to the net and do anything, fall on the goalie, get hit by a shot something. The puck will eventually start going in when you go to the net.

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02-02-2009, 10:17 AM
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A guy who's name has not come up for criticism is Komi

I really like the guy, but he has had some pretty horrible giveaways lately.

The last month I'd have to say our D corps has been the biggest problem. But most of the criticism is leveled at forwards

I think it is telling when a call up like Henry doesn't look any worse than several of the regulars. Not a good situation

Perhaps Lever should be brought up to be an assistant

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02-02-2009, 10:21 AM
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A guy who's name has not come up for criticism is Komi

I really like the guy, but he has had some pretty horrible giveaways lately.

The last month I'd have to say our D corps has been the biggest problem. But most of the criticism is leveled at forwards

I think it is telling when a call up like Henry doesn't look any worse than several of the regulars. Not a good situation

Perhaps Lever should be brought up to be an assistant



That is what missing with the Habs: competent assistant-coaches. I still don't understand how come Muller is still behind this bench, and that we don't have no real D-Men coach yet !

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Europeans simply just don't care about our game, this isn't there home. Its human cultural nature. Sad fact about humans.

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Sergei Kostitsyn: is - and will never be any better than 3rd line talent - it's that simple!
Not debating that his upside may only be third line, but the fact is he's not playing well enough for any line in the NHL. He's been one of the biggest disappointments this year, IMO. Slow and turns over the puck with almost automatic regularity.

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Europeans simply just don't care about our game, this isn't there home. Its human cultural nature. Sad fact about humans.
Way to go, in general.


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Kovalev: is a highly skilled player who's age is catching up to him - '07-'08 was an exceptional year for him at this time in his career (considering his age). As fans we cannot expect Kovalev to return to this same level of productivity.

Plekanec: benefitted (in '07-'08) greatly from the the play of Kovalev (as a linemate) - he has 3rd line talent. Example; If Plekanec was playing in say Detroit, he would be competing for 3rd line ice time with Draper.

Sergei Kostitsyn: is - and will never be any better than 3rd line talent - it's that simple!
That Sergei remark makes me


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02-02-2009, 11:52 AM
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I'm not worried about Sergei.

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Looking back at everyone's predictions before the season started, it's pretty much funny.

Higgins would score 35 goals

Kovalev could score 40+

Plekanec was considered a 1st line center, able to average a PPG

Sergei Kostitsyn couldn't score under 50 pts this year.

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What's wrong with them?

Well, this is our higher expectation we want from them.

I mean, last year, nobody expects a 85pts in a season from Kovy or a 70pts season from Pleks or a almost .5 ppg season by Skost.

This year, it's the reality.

Kovalev is a 65-70pts per season player. Plekanec is a excellent 3rd liner and I expect him to do the same thing that Weiss does in Florida which is a 50pts per season and playmaker. But he's better defensively. About Skost, I think he's in a sophomore slump. I expect him to get a 40pts season next year.

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Wow, I'm glad that most of you aren't the GM of the Montreal Canadiens. Pleckanec is no better than a 3rd line center, Sergei is no better than a third line player...
I respect your opinions, but I definitely do not agree with it.

Both players are having a bad season, that I agree with, but I would have loved to get your assessment of the two last season when they were ripping it up. I'm sure it would have been very different.

Kovalev, on the other hand, has been a piranha the entire season for anyone who has played on his line. Isn't it Kovy that's supposed to be the star? Why is it Pleckanec that has to bring him up?
Both Pleckanec and Andrei K have played better when they've been away from Kovy this season. I think most people who have watched the games objectively can agree with that. I can understand that he may have lost a step over last year but he is not moving his feet and not getting involved physically AT ALL.
Everyone is talking about Pleckanec's lack of physical involvement, yet when was the last time Kovalev laid someone out or initiated a physical battle in the corner? And this despite being built like an ox.

IMO, if our team is a little soft it's because the most talented player (and one of the biggest) has been playing many games this year as if they were all-star games. Whether you want to believe it or not, it's human nature for the younger guys that look up to him (e.g., the Kost bros and Plecks) to play a similar style.

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Isn't it Kovy that's supposed to be the star? Why is it Pleckanec that has to bring him up?
Eh? Were you watching hockey last year at all? It was Kovalev who enabled Plekanec to get to nearly 70 points, not the other way around.

This is not to defend Alex this season, but simply to state a fact you missed.

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These 3 players would be a great line in the khl, they need to play on the bigger ice surface to perform. Pleks and Sergei are just too small to win battles along the boards. There will be no cup in montreal untill they build a bigger grittier team...

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Sergei is the same as Kovalev, selfish and plays when he wants to. Same thing when he played for the London Knights.

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These 3 players would be a great line in the khl, they need to play on the bigger ice surface to perform. Pleks and Sergei are just too small to win battles along the boards. There will be no cup in montreal untill they build a bigger grittier team...
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Detroit are on a 5 game losing streak

We can't always panic when the team is doing soso performance.

There are ups and downs in a season...

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Detroit are on a 5 game losing streak

We can't always panic when the team is doing soso performance.

There are ups and downs in a season...
when your the defending champion you know there are highs but not when you havent got to the 3rd round in 16 seasons

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Sergei is the same as Kovalev, selfish and plays when he wants to. Same thing when he played for the London Knights.
His stick needs some Viagra.

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To me, it's pretty simple (I may be wrong, tho)

Kovalev : It's simply a normal season for him. It's last year that was special. That's the way it is/was his whole career. You don't change at 37 years old.

Plekanec : A bad season, like every player of his level of talent have from time to time. To me, he's somewhere between a bonafied third line center and an OK second line center. This year, he has a year where he would be better used as a third line center, being the shadow of the other team first center and playing PK. On another year, he could be a second line center if you coupled him with a true big star playing center on the first line (or playing with a Kovalev on one of his 3 best years -- like last year!)

S.Kost : Simply a second year young player confuse in the way he's trying to put all together (when to play fancy, when to hit everything, when to backcheck, when to go all out, etc.) He's just still learning to be a real NHLer on a nightly basis. Common stuff for a second year player. We can look around the league to see how often that kind of down year happen for second year players.
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What's wrong with them?

Well, this is our higher expectation we want from them.

I mean, last year, nobody expects a 85pts in a season from Kovy or a 70pts season from Pleks or a almost .5 ppg season by Skost.

This year, it's the reality.

Kovalev is a 65-70pts per season player. Plekanec is a excellent 3rd liner and I expect him to do the same thing that Weiss does in Florida which is a 50pts per season and playmaker. But he's better defensively. About Skost, I think he's in a sophomore slump. I expect him to get a 40pts season next year.

Look at he top scorers around the league. Hardly any of them are over 35 years old. When is the expectation going to be shifted onto the younger players to step up and lead the team. It's comical that players entering their physical prime can be excused for poor play while we continue to expect the world of a 35 year old player who's not even much of a cap hit.

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