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and the same is true for Schneider and the canucks.... doesn't make much sense in the situation they are in right now to trade him.
Luongo could re-sign. If that happens, then you look at trading Schneider... but as of right now, that's just WAY too big a risk to take for a franchise that has had considerably more seasons of bad goaltending, constantly looking for someone to carry the team from goal. You just don't deal the best goalie prospect the organization has ever drafted with those kind of risks attached.
Right now the canucks are spiraling to the basement... they have lost 9 in a row, and are sitting in 11th place, with the teams ahead of them all having games in hand. Now is not the time to deal a stud prospect like Schneider, hoping that your franchise goalie will re-sign with a struggling team next year. Once Luongo's signed officially to a new contract, then Schneider becomes the canucks most tradable asset. And hopefully they can bring them both in next season, have Schneider play behind Luongo to improve his own trade value with more NHL experience, before you move him (a la Mike Smith).
Trading him now is just idiotic IMO. You're dealing a guy with limited NHL experience which will impact his overall value, and he essentially becomes a throw-in in any trade... you also take a huge risk assuming that Luongo will re-sign with this team, which becomes less and less certain with each disappointing performance they put forth.
Right now, I'd stand pat at most... that is keeping all the future assets this team has and seeing if you can make the playoffs this year with what you have... as you get closer to the deadline, if the team is still struggling and out of the playoffs, you sell off your veterans for picks and prospects to restock the system... if they are in a playoff spot, you deal young player(s) or prospects in positions of depth that won't hurt you later (such as dealing guys like Raymond or Grabner... not Hodgson or Schneider).
This team has had way too long a disappointing run to move their best prospects at this point. Teams that barely make the playoffs - and given where they are right now, that's likely their best case situation - never win the Cup... and in that situation dealing away guys like Hodgson or Schneider will harm this franchise much more in the longrun than any short-term help they can acquire.
Oh for sure, its a fair argument, especially considering goalies don't have huge trade value as prospects. A lot of this depends on where you see Vancouver going - is it win now, build for later, or some combination of the two? I'm just making the point that if you're in a position to win (which I still think the Canucks are) then its not such a big deal to let prospects who aren't getting a chance in your organization go for immediate help in areas of need.
i dont care if Lang went down with injury i dont want Sundin, Vancouver spent forever getting him to sign they have no reason to trade him, it was their decision to kill their team by signing him now Gainey isnt that stupid
Ok at what Sundin did in T.O lead them to crapville, IMO Sundin is the biggest overrated player in NHL history, he has NEVER won a meaning for NHL trophy, he has NEVER lead the Leafs where they wanted to go, he NEVER was as good as people thought...Agree Disagree i dont care Sundin just plain sucks
1324 points in 1314 games... he's terrible. How did people think he was any good? 15 seasons with 70+ points.. 13 with 30+ goals.. you know what? He shouldn't have even made the NHL. He should be in the AHL FOR SURE. Fo Sho. Want to know how I know why? He couldn't lead the Leafs to the cup finals. Who says it takes more than just one player, WHO SAYS? That's ridiculous. Sundin isn't fit to clean up poop. Leafs should have traded him long ago. He was never a good captain and he did NOTHING for the city of Toronto. I doubt people even came to watch him play. Go ahead, find someone with a Sundin jersey, I dare you. They don't exist. They didn't even make them. He sucks so much I don't even want to talk about him anymore....
I'd like to see the canucks sell our UFA's (save burrows) for young roster players, or ready prospects. I'd rather not see a full rebuild, because we have players now to win with, Mitchell, Salo, Luongo etc. that go UFA soon, but this years team won't cut it.
We would need to be very active in the FA pool come off-season though, but the cards just don't seem to add up this year.
gillis chose sundin months ago, and sundin chose vancouver. He's there for the rest of the season, like it or not.
yup, and they both chose to miss the playoffs together. if sundin wasn't so selfish he would have taken a discount and actually trained while he was in his moment of 'indecision'....and now he's using this "oh i'm playing games now as if they were my training camp." screw that. canuck fans should be pissed at him as they're going to get like 5 quality games out of him at the end of the season as they barely miss the playoffs.
I still wouldn't make that deal just because the Canucks give up a TON of their future on the back end to make this trade.
The Canucks don't have much depth on the back end and it just doesn't make sense for them to trade both Edler and Bieksa away at this point.
Bieksa has been HORRIBLE this last month or so but he's still got great potential and he's a pretty valuable player to this organization. He's gritty and he can put some puts on the board. I'd be pretty suprised to see them trade away Bieksa
Overall I think the Canucks pass on this offer. I just don't think it makes any sense to trade Sundin this soon and too be honest I'd be suprised if the Canucks even made a move over the next couple of weeks.
I think Gillis wants to see how this team preforms over the next 10 games. After their next 2 games they play 8 games in 8 different cities and that will likely determine where this team stands.
Unless Gillis is blown away by an offer I think he'll wait until the trade deadline (perhaps a day or two before the deadline at the earliest) before he makes any moves.
Did Sundin sign that 2 year-20mil contract or a one year contract. If he signed for two and he has a no-movement clause, Mike Gillis didn't learn anything from Cliff Fletcher at last year's deadline.
Mtl does not give up NEAR ENOUGH if you look at it trade value wise.
I mean...maybe on ice production....ya..its close...but this is a trade and if you look at trade value straight up.....Van gets gripped...t.o...its hard to tell there. I'm not sure what Kaberles value is..I think he's a hard player to gauge..i think gms' would have ea hard time pricing him.....but ya..MTL makes out like bandits..
Did Sundin sign that 2 year-20mil contract or a one year contract. If he signed for two and he has a no-movement clause, Mike Gillis didn't learn anything from Cliff Fletcher at last year's deadline.
One year. Sundin will turn it around, I don't know what people expected after taking half the year off.
No way the Canucks do this. They didn't wait over half a season to sign Sundin to trade him after 10 games for a player who has played all season long and still hasn't found his game. Let alone moving Bieksa and Edler for Kaberle. Did you even consider the Canucks in this trade?
Of course I didn't...
Seriously, what's the Canucks' record since Sundin signed? What's Sundin's production since he started playing? How much is he making? When the Canucks were down in the last game and were playing 6 on 4 with Luongo pulled, where was Sundin? Yes, on the BENCH!
How has Bieksa been playing this year? How are his turnovers?
Now I'm far from saying that those players are bad players, but it's a huge risk that Montreal would be taking considering the price paid to get them!
Also, Kovalev and Kaberle would be gold for the Canucks' PP.
No, I didn't think of the Canucks when I prepared that...
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Mtl benefits a bit too much, imo.
How so? Both Bieksa and Sundin are struggling. True that in Sundin's case it COULD be a matter of time, but it COULD also be that he's over the hill and out of shape. It's a huge risk considering...
Seriously, what's the Canucks' record since Sundin signed? What's Sundin's production since he started playing? How much is he making? When the Canucks were down in the last game and were playing 6 on 4 with Luongo pulled, where was Sundin? Yes, on the BENCH!
I'm one of the few Canucks' fans that wasn't expecting Sundin to come in after being off for 6+ months and lead the team in scoring. If in another 10 games he is still struggling, then I would concede he's been a failure. But so far tonight he has looked and made a nice play to set up Kesler's goal. He is improving. The Canucks didn't want more than half the season to give up on him after 10 games. Don't be ridiculous.
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How has Bieksa been playing this year? How are his turnovers?
He's on pace for over 50 points, scored a goal tonight as well actually. Over the past month and a bit he has been less than average defensively, but the majority of the team has been also. He's not the problem with the Canucks.
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Also, Kovalev and Kaberle would be gold for the Canucks' PP.
Yea because Kovalev sure has been dynamite for the Habs' PP this season! He's got as many PP goals as Mason Raymond, yay! And Bieksa and Kaberle have similar point totals this season both overall and on the PP. I concede that Kaberle is the better defenseman, at least offensively, but I feel you're really underrating Bieksa's contributions on the PP, or at least overlooking them.
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No, I didn't think of the Canucks when I prepared that...
Certainly doesn't look like it! You certainly didn't use logic considering you have the Canucks moving Sundin.
Also I like how you fail to mention why the Canucks would consider moving Edler in such a deal. No basis for such a move, huh?
I'm one of the few Canucks' fans that wasn't expecting Sundin to come in after being off for 6+ months and lead the team in scoring. If in another 10 games he is still struggling, then I would concede he's been a failure. But so far tonight he has looked and made a nice play to set up Kesler's goal. He is improving. The Canucks didn't want more than half the season to give up on him after 10 games. Don't be ridiculous.
He's on pace for over 50 points, scored a goal tonight as well actually. Over the past month and a bit he has been less than average defensively, but the majority of the team has been also. He's not the problem with the Canucks.
Yea because Kovalev sure has been dynamite for the Habs' PP this season! He's got as many PP goals as Mason Raymond, yay! And Bieksa and Kaberle have similar point totals this season both overall and on the PP. I concede that Kaberle is the better defenseman, at least offensively, but I feel you're really underrating Bieksa's contributions on the PP, or at least overlooking them.
Certainly doesn't look like it! You certainly didn't use logic considering you have the Canucks moving Sundin.
Also I like how you fail to mention why the Canucks would consider moving Edler in such a deal. No basis for such a move, huh?
I think you're too close to the frame to see the whole picture. But hey, it's your opinion and you seem to have a strong belief in it, I can respect that but I certainly don't agree.
I think you're too close to the frame to see the whole picture. But hey, it's your opinion and you seem to have a strong belief in it, I can respect that but I certainly don't agree.
Funny because most of my "opinion" is backed up with fact. No worries though, I can certainly agree to disagree with you.
Of course I didn't...
