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02-04-2009, 07:19 PM
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Mike Brown scores against us the next time we play the Ducks.
In overtime, after Daniel Sedin takes a hooking penalty.

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02-04-2009, 07:26 PM
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In overtime, after Daniel Sedin takes a hooking penalty.
What the hell is he doing on the ice during a PP in OT

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02-04-2009, 07:28 PM
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How was Gillis sloppy? Brown's value was an AHLer/8th dman or a couple bucks after a waiver wire pickup. Pettinger's value was the same...

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02-04-2009, 07:30 PM
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What the hell is he doing on the ice during a PP in OT
What the hell is he even doing the bench would be my question.

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02-04-2009, 07:33 PM
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Every asset is an asset, and Gillis is pretty sloppy with his assets.

These moves in particular might not mean much overall, but it is a trend I've noticed.
But the thing is an asset is only an asset if it has value. Matt Pettinger obviously didn't have value because it took re-entry waivers for him to be claimed (and thus at his $1 million price tag he wasn't worth anything) while Brown is no different than dozens of other fourth line checkers that have passed through waivers already this year.

The thing is you are limited by the roster limit in terms of the number of waiver eligible players you can keep. Gillis put himself into the position by having a half dozen players to compete for one or two spots on the roster and losing a couple on waivers inconsequential because the only other option is to have had fewer players competing for spots which means you never had those players to begin with.

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Well, apparently there was some value if there was genuine interest around the league that prevented them from sending Brown down. Even if that's a 6th round pick, I agree, bad management.
Waiver interest doesn't mean that there is a team that would be willing to trade for him. Given that they ended up trading him for nothing I'd imagine they'd have taken a sixth round pick if it was available.

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02-04-2009, 07:54 PM
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Happy about this, he was a waste of a roster spot.

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02-04-2009, 08:20 PM
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But the thing is an asset is only an asset if it has value. Matt Pettinger obviously didn't have value because it took re-entry waivers for him to be claimed (and thus at his $1 million price tag he wasn't worth anything) while Brown is no different than dozens of other fourth line checkers that have passed through waivers already this year.
And the only team that was interested in picking up Pettinger was the team where he's buddies with the owner and a team that already had about 200 forwards.

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02-04-2009, 08:28 PM
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What the hell is he doing on the ice during a PP in OT
Mike Brown is going to become a PPG player and the heir to Selanne's scoring prowess in Anaheim. AV just never gave him the chance he needed to mature into the franchise player we all knew he could be.

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02-04-2009, 08:31 PM
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This is pretty horrible asset management when you look at the big picture.

Essentially, we gave away Pettinger and Brown for nothing.

Brown was a depth player with no real use on the Canucks, McIver is a depth defenseman with no real use on the Canucks. This is pretty much an AHL deal.
AGREED.

Canucks signed/obtained too many (7) forwards in the off-season: Bernier Johnson Hordichuk Krog Ouellet Wellwood Demitra causing an excess of forwards - 20 including Pettinger - many who can't/couldn't be sent down without going thru waivers.
Naturally, anytime a player gets injured, one of these guys gets called up and when the injured player returns, you have to put the called up player thru waivers before sending him back down.

To solve this problem, the key is to sign ****** players who you know will clear waivers.

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02-04-2009, 08:35 PM
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Yay! Two good days in a row.

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02-04-2009, 08:37 PM
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Didn't Mciver play for us before as well?
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02-04-2009, 08:43 PM
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AGREED.

Canucks signed/obtained too many (7) forwards in the off-season: Bernier Johnson Hordichuk Krog Ouellet Wellwood Demitra causing an excess of forwards - 20 including Pettinger - many who can't/couldn't be sent down without going thru waivers.
Naturally, anytime a player gets injured, one of these guys gets called up and when the injured player returns, you have to put the called up player thru waivers before sending him back down.

To solve this problem, the key is to sign ****** players who you know will clear waivers.
They are all dime a dozen fringe nhl/ahl players who have little to no value.

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02-04-2009, 08:53 PM
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I don't think guys like Pettinger or Brown have much of any value at all. When Cooke was traded he was absolutely terrible - I think Pettinger is a player with a pretty common skill set in the league. In fact, I'd argue Jaffray has filled in this season more admirably then Pettinger ever did here.

Brown is a total write-off. The guy is balls - admittedly bad asset management with him, but at least we still get rid of him, and get to keep McIver, who I always felt was a fairly good depth d-man to have in case of injuries.

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02-04-2009, 09:00 PM
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How long until the Ducks waive Brown and he passes through waivers with absolutely no problem?

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02-04-2009, 09:12 PM
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I bet they traded Brown so that Burke and Nonis couldn't claim him on waivers.

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02-05-2009, 01:14 AM
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It's not really bad asset management when the players you give away aren't really assets. I was disappointed as anyone that they waived Pettinger over Brown because he was a more useful player but neither guy had anything resembling value around the league. Players like that get moved around for nothing all the time.
Exactly.

as·set n.

1. A useful or valuable quality, person, or thing; an advantage or resource.

Asset management requires the presence of assets.

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02-05-2009, 02:16 AM
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So we won the McIver sweepstakes?

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02-05-2009, 02:54 AM
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So we won the McIver sweepstakes?
Yeah, by default; no one else entered.

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02-05-2009, 07:36 AM
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Yeah, by default; no one else entered.
ah the two greatest words in the english language!
de-fault!

In any case, looks like the Moose are gearing up for a Calder cup run!

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02-05-2009, 08:58 AM
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I can't believe how uppity people get about Matt Freakin Pettinger.. guy has 2 goals in 29 games.. 6 all of last year.. big freaking whoopity do

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02-05-2009, 09:30 AM
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Prediction:

Mike Brown scores against us the next time we play the Ducks.
I'll see your prediction and raise you one:

Brown gets a Gordie Howe Hat-Trick the next time the Ducks play us. And, get this, he actually wins the fight.

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02-05-2009, 11:00 AM
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So is Jaffray actually recalled?

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02-05-2009, 11:17 AM
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His replacement might have had an impact (Jaffrey).

I'd say it is about 100x more likely Jaffrey would have had a positive impact than Mike Brown will be playing 500 NHL games.

At the very least, he likely wouldn't have made a brutal turnover in the Wild game. That could be one point (or one less loss) right there.
you really think that Jaffrey would have made an impact from the press box? doubt it. and ya, Brown made a bad turnover that cost us a goal. but find me one player that hasn't done that over the past 15 games.

I still don't get the disdain for a marginal NHLer who sat in the press box most of the season. It sure as heck wasn't Brown's fault that Pettinger, Wellwood, and Jaffrey were waived to keep him.

That said, I'm good with the trade. I thought losing both Bourdon and McIver in essentialy one off-season left a gap in our depth chart. I doubt McIver will ever be a top 4 guy, but he has a few more NHL games under his belt now, and should be in competition for the #7 spot next season, on top of helping the Moose (and by trickel down, the Salmon Kings) this season.

but I don't get all the venom spit Brown's way. I mean, it wasn't this Brown that slept with our starting goalies wife and sent his career into a tailspin.

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02-05-2009, 11:29 AM
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Was Mrs. McLean even all that hot?

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I can't believe how uppity people get about Matt Freakin Pettinger.. guy has 2 goals in 29 games.. 6 all of last year.. big freaking whoopity do
He'd be an upgrade to the 4th line and PK. It's not a HUGE deal. But when both have SUCKED all year, every little bit helps. It's not unusual for a player to have a bad year after getting moved twice in a few months.

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