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02-05-2009, 08:41 AM
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Sather's best move vs Sather's worst move

Best move: Jaromir Jagr from the Caps for Anson Carter(what happened to that guy?) and the Caps have to pay half Jagrs mammoth salary.

Worst move: I'm sure this ones debatable but today it feels like NOT re-signing Nylander was a mistake.

Straka Nylander Jagr was one of the best lines this franchise has ever had. They dominated regularly. God remember when the Rangers Dominated other teams?!!

Should have given Nylander his deal and signed one of Drury/Gomez


I know Nylander wanted too many years for most peoples liking. Mine as well. I was very happy that July. I felt Sather had made a very positive move, but in hindsight I think not signing Nylander was the beginning of this teams current woes.

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Best Move: Trading for Jagr
Honorable Mention: Trading for Zherdev, trading for Bure

Worst Move: Trading Brian Leetch
Honorable Mention: Signing Gomez & Drury, trading Adam Graves

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02-05-2009, 08:45 AM
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Best Move: Trading for Jagr
Worst Move: Not Resigning Jagr

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Best Move: Trading for Jagr
Worst Move: Trading Brian Leetch
no he made many worse moves than trading Leetch.

Drafting Jessiman
Drafting Montoya
Signing Gomez
Signing Drury
Signing Redden
Not Resigning Jagr

are all much worse than trading Leetch.

Leetch's impact on the NHL after his trade wasnt' that great. We went into full rebuild mode. He made a trade to get us more assets. It was the right thing to do. As much as I love Leetch it was a sound business decision.

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I still would have loved to see Leetch on the blue line in the 05-06 season and the 06-07 season. The team could have been that much better.

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Yea Im not even taking into account the drafts...thats just too much to go through again. Happy they've been drafting much better recently.


I dont like how he traded Leetch, but I understand

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Not re-signing Jagr, to me all starts with the fallout from not re-signing Nylander.

He gambled breaking up what was perhaps the best 1st line in the NHL

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02-05-2009, 08:53 AM
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Best: Trading for Jagr
Worst: Signing Redden, by far imo.

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02-05-2009, 09:02 AM
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Best: Trading for Jagr
Worst: Signing Redden, by far imo.
Agreed these would be my picks.

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Agreed these would be my picks.
I will 3rd this statement.

The Redden signing may very well cripple us for YEARS to come. It really could be that bad for us. Why he couldn't just take a year off from signing a 7M player I can't understand. Instead of us being able to sign an actual offensive threat this summer, we're going to be trying to figure out how to re-sign our young guys, yet remain under the cap. What a terrible, terrible move. What makes me even angrier about it is this wasn't a guy who was an NHL all star or even a formiddable talent the past few seasons. Why would anyone give that kind of money to a player in the hopes that he would rebound? I don't see any sense in it at all.

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worst moves all seem to have come in the last 2 years.. grossly overpaying drury, gomez, redden and rozy.. signing rissmiller and voros for that money.. flooding the organization with dozens of the same style of player that all provide the same thing.. nothing..

the signings of drury, gomez, redden and rozy will cripple this team for years to come.. nobody in they're right mind would trade to take on any of these contracts..

going back to the summer we signed gomez and drury i would of much rather resigned nylander for 2-3 years if he was willing to take the years at the same money he wanted per.. and kept cullen and utilized him in the same capacity he was utilized in carolina, renney never utilized him properly..

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signing Redden, easily.

signing both Redden and Rozi were assinine.

Can't remeber who was signed first, but he if had any intention of resigning Rozi what was the need for Redden??

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Signing Redden was a terrible mistake.

Not to mention numerous other bad veteran signings in his career.

Holik
Trottier
Trading Leetch
Coaching himself
Trading Graves
Lindros
Trading Montoya at the lowest possible value.
Ozolinsh


I wish we could find a list somewhere of every single move hes made as a Ranger gm. I would love to see that.

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in hindsight I think not signing Nylander was the beginning of this teams current woes.
Huh? Nylander missed most of last season with an injury and has the same # of points as the "slumping" Dubisnky this season. THAT's worth a 4 year contract and a $5M cap hit?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!


Best: Leetch

Worst: Dunham. If Zidlicky's still here, there probably isn't a Redden signing.

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Huh? Nylander missed most of last season with an injury and has the same # of points as the "slumping" Dubisnky this season. THAT's worth a 4 year contract and a $5M cap hit?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!
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Best: The Jagr trade by far, including that part of his salary went against the Caps salary cap.

Honorable mention: Possibly the Zherdev trade, if Zherdev starts playing consistently. Also only if he signs here when he becomes an RFA after this year.

Worst: The Redden signing. Going to pay for that for years.

Also worst: When he told Adam Graves he was going to 'retire him', before he traded Adam to San Jose. What a class act Sather is.

Honorable mention: Making Trottier coach because he hand-wrote a 500 word essay.

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I will 3rd this statement.

The Redden signing may very well cripple us for YEARS to come. It really could be that bad for us. Why he couldn't just take a year off from signing a 7M player I can't understand. Instead of us being able to sign an actual offensive threat this summer, we're going to be trying to figure out how to re-sign our young guys, yet remain under the cap. What a terrible, terrible move. What makes me even angrier about it is this wasn't a guy who was an NHL all star or even a formiddable talent the past few seasons. Why would anyone give that kind of money to a player in the hopes that he would rebound? I don't see any sense in it at all.
4 votes for this. That Redden contract will cripple us for as long as he's on the team.

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Huh? Nylander missed most of last season with an injury and has the same # of points as the "slumping" Dubisnky this season. THAT's worth a 4 year contract and a $5M cap hit?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!
My expectation was that signing Nylander would have kept the chemistry with Jagr together. Something that EVERYONE agrees worked rather well. Chemistry this team struggled to find last year and really has none of this year.

Plus it would have SAVED cap space now and in the future

Plus it would have kept him from signing both Drury and Gomez at inflated UFA prices.

Nylander as a Ranger with Jagr > than any combo since...


I know he got injured last year, but thats always a risk. Perhaps as a Ranger he stays healthy. Who knows.

Let me say again this is all hindsight. I was aginst giving Nylander the contract he asked for. But now I wish Sather had.

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Sather should still be reaping the glory of his Jagr deal....they cut too soon

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Huh? Nylander missed most of last season with an injury and has the same # of points as the "slumping" Dubisnky this season. THAT's worth a 4 year contract and a $5M cap hit?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!


Best: Leetch

Worst: Dunham. If Zidlicky's still here, there probably isn't a Redden signing.
Trading Leetch was good in a sense that it kick started the "rebuild", but i cannot for one second say that is the best move when it went down the way it did, withouth Leetch's knowledge. That was utter disrespect if you ask me. 1,000 other Rangers, and its no big deal. That guy is different and hes going feel that for the rest of his life. That really hurt him and even though he was declining as a player it wasnt right.

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regarding Nylander - somewhat agreed, however, I believe there was an option he could've picked up for under $3MM for last season. To me, that would've been worth it. I can't predict that Nylander would've been injured as a Ranger as he was with Washington, so I take that chance.

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Nylander as a Ranger with Jagr > than any combo since...

I know he got injured last year, but thats always a risk. Perhaps as a Ranger he stays healthy. Who knows.
Great, but even in an ideal scenario, you're still stuck with Nylander 2 years after Jagr is gone.

Potential for injury is EXACTLY why he AND Jagr didn't get the deals they wanted. You're stuck with the cap hit whether they play or not, a la' Mogilny. It's a potential cap disaster for any team. They got the best offer anyone over 35 should be getting and turned their back on the team anyway.


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Trading Leetch was good in a sense that it kick started the "rebuild", but i cannot for one second say that is the best move when it went down the way it did, withouth Leetch's knowledge.
Oh well. It was the first time Sather saw the writing on the wall and did the right thing for the New York Rangers. It marked a turning point in the entire philosophy of the franchise and there's still the potential for the deal to pay dividends if Sauer and Korpikoski can reach their potential.

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regarding Nylander - somewhat agreed, however, I believe there was an option he could've picked up for under $3MM for last season. To me, that would've been worth it. I can't predict that Nylander would've been injured as a Ranger as he was with Washington, so I take that chance.
Who had the option? I don't recall that the team did.

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I think signing Nylander = Jagr still here. At least the two year deal. The cap space would have helped + Jagr had GREAT chemistry with that line.

That would leave us with only one more year with Nylander at 5 mill.

5 mill is way easier to move than Gomez or Drurys $$. And if you can't move it at least its done after that one season.

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If I was Jagr I def was not happy they let my center go. We saw the grand results. Endless line combos desperately trying to rekindle some chemistry.

Sometimes when you have it good you need to keep riding it out

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