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02-08-2009, 03:55 PM
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Chris Pronger

Out of the rumored teams that may potentially offer a deal before deadline day, what would be the best offer to get Chris Pronger?

AFAIK, Devils, Habs and Caps were the rumored parties.

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02-08-2009, 03:58 PM
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According to the board about a 3rd round draft pick, apparently because of his contract he has no "value", i would say your looking at a top 4 d-man or top 6 forward, a good prospect or 2 and at least a 1st+ in picks...im not convinced that anaheim is going to move him though, the core of the team is still older neidermayer, giguere, pronger, selanne i dont see them closing that window quite yet.

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he would put the hawks over the top and they would be willing to give up an a class goalie to help the ducks

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lupul, carle, jones and a 1st for pronger and moen?

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he would put the hawks over the top and they would be willing to give up an a class goalie to help the ducks
Don't you think they'd prefer to send him out of the conference, though, all else being equal?

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I think the caps should go for him. He would fit great with the young team they have there.

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Lupul Carle or Jones and a 1st would be a decent offer from philly. Not sure if they want Lupul back or not.

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Lupul Carle or Jones and a 1st would be a decent offer from philly. Not sure if they want Lupul back or not.
yeah that wont get it done

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Burke said it would take a "1st and a Kid", this week and can be found in these boards IIRC.

What is the salary cap hit from the deadline to the end of the season for Pronger?

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ill give lupul, jones, and a 1st..... but i doubt anaheim does it

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Out of the rumored teams that may potentially offer a deal before deadline day, what would be the best offer to get Chris Pronger?

AFAIK, Devils, Habs and Caps were the rumored parties.
Pronger a devil??????




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For weeks now I've said this:

To Anaheim:
Morrisonn
Lepsito
Collins
Godfrey
2009 1st

To Washington:
Pronger

maybe a tweak here or there but that's in the range, I would think!

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For weeks now I've said this:

To Anaheim:
Morrisonn
Lepsito
Collins
Godfrey
2009 1st

To Washington:
Pronger

maybe a tweak here or there but that's in the range, I would think!
quality > quantity

why would Ducks ever want that trash?

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lupul, carle, jones and a 1st for pronger and moen?
That's way too much salary heading to the Ducks for the amount of production they'd get from it. If Pronger is dealt the Ducks would likely want as little salary as possible coming back unless it filled a big need for them. None of the players listed fill a big need for the Ducks.

My guess is that Pronger would fetch a solid young NHL'er(top 6 forward or top 4 d-man), a good prospect and a 1st round pick.

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For weeks now I've said this:

To Anaheim:
Morrisonn
Lepsito
Collins
Godfrey
2009 1st

To Washington:
Pronger

maybe a tweak here or there but that's in the range, I would think!
That's no better than this:

To Anaheim

Shane O'Brien
Michael Grabner
Taylor Ellington
Shaun Heshka
2009 1st

To Vancouver

Chris Pronger

If the Canucks could get Pronger for that, which they wouldn't, I'd be ecstatic. If the Caps want Pronger, Alzner or Carlson would have to go the other way I'm sure. You don't get one of the top d-men in the league by moving a bunch of secondary prospects and a bottom pairing defenseman.

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From Boston:
1. 1st 2009
2. Joe Colborne or Zach Hamill
3. Matt Lashoff or Mark Stuart

I'm sure the Salary Cap would get in the way, but if The Ducks are looking for cheap young talent they could get it from Boston, even though only 1 of those 4 players are in The NHL currently.

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quality > quantity

why would Ducks ever want that trash?
IMO, the players are not trash!
Morrisonn is having an off year and needs a change of scenery!
Lepisto is stuck in the numbers with DC, he's Green's call up when he goes down... he just needs an opportunity to shine!
Collins was a very good call up from the AHL...
Godfrey has a 100mph shot and his defense has been improving since he was drafted...

The Caps have the most well stocked systems in the league... but I guess we'll have agree to disagree about the 4th best NHL team's prospects!

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That's no better than this:

To Anaheim

Shane O'Brien
Michael Grabner
Taylor Ellington
Shaun Heshka
2009 1st

To Vancouver

Chris Pronger

If the Canucks could get Pronger for that, which they wouldn't, I'd be ecstatic. If the Caps want Pronger, Alzner or Carlson would have to go the other way I'm sure. You don't get one of the top d-men in the league by moving a bunch of secondary prospects and a bottom pairing defenseman.
maybe it's worse then yours... maybe not... maybe Murray would take the trade because all of the Caps players are Defensemen, which Anaheim needs since they have 3 signed for next year... including only 2 of the top 6...

logic would dictate that if you have holes to fill in the defense, a trade of players that HAVE played in the NHL might be one to seriously consider...

Alzner and Carlson are untouchable... people who know the Caps know this... same for Varlamov!

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For weeks now I've said this:

To Anaheim:
Morrisonn
Lepsito
Collins
Godfrey
2009 1st

To Washington:
Pronger

maybe a tweak here or there but that's in the range, I would think!
There is just too much in there. Three pieces max. Remember there is a contract limit. Also, while the Caps are over stocked on defense in the system trading FOUR at once destroys their system.

Pronger=One of Schultz, Finley or Carlson + one of Osala, Fehr or Bourque, + a 1st.

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Collins is trash. Mo's value is going to be low right now, but he'll have to be dealt (not necessarily to the Ducks) to make room for a Pronger-level acquisition. The others aren't, but they don't stand out so much, either.

One question is what are ANA's depth needs, in terms of prospect positions. Forwards? Dmen? Goalies?

The Caps could offer a much better package involving forwards.

Fehr or Bourque, if you wanted someone for the NHL team.
Osala
Bouchard
Perreault
etc.

On D it's tougher to part with the best prospects. Lepisto's good, but he's not the best. Alzner's an NHLer and isn't going to be traded, it wouldn't really make sense. Carlson is the blue chip that everyone's going to ask about, but man would that hurt. Maybe GMGM does it, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he doesn't have to, he's great at fleecing people in trades. Finley's a wild card, he's got a Pronger-esque game (less O though) but he's probably not high profile enough to be seen as value.

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I think the caps should go for him. He would fit great with the young team they have there.
I tend to agree with this.

However, the caps are going to have to give back in return, a couple of high prospects, 2009 1st AND a player to make the salary cap work on both ends.

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IMO, the players are not trash!
Morrisonn is having an off year and needs a change of scenery!
Lepisto is stuck in the numbers with DC, he's Green's call up when he goes down... he just needs an opportunity to shine!
Collins was a very good call up from the AHL...
Godfrey has a 100mph shot and his defense has been improving since he was drafted...

The Caps have the most well stocked systems in the league... but I guess we'll have agree to disagree about the 4th best NHL team's prospects!



maybe it's worse then yours... maybe not... maybe Murray would take the trade because all of the Caps players are Defensemen, which Anaheim needs since they have 3 signed for next year... including only 2 of the top 6...

logic would dictate that if you have holes to fill in the defense, a trade of players that HAVE played in the NHL might be one to seriously consider...

Alzner and Carlson are untouchable... people who know the Caps know this... same for Varlamov!
You cant get a premier player in the league without giving up some good pieces, not castoffs. That group of players isnt even close.

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02-09-2009, 03:32 PM
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hmmm... I see everyone's points on my first thought not being good enough in value and too many pieces...

it'll be interesting to see if GMGM does go after him and what he and ted are willing to give up to get Pronger...

either way, Nylander would have agree to be traded to a team that GMGM will get decent value for him... otherwise, all this speculation isn't worth the paper it isn't printed on...

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In order to make an educated offer, one needs to know what the Ducks are looking for. What are the Ducks' needs and expectations if they were to trade away Pronger?

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If the ducks end up getting Carlson, i will be pissed if the caps give up any more than this:

Caps Get
Pronger
2nd

Ducks Get
Morrisonn
Carlson
1st

And really, i would be looking for several good prospects, not one blue chip. The ducks are just barren on young defense. If i was anaheim i think i'd prefer this offer(and i'd prefer it as a caps fan)

pronger for Schultz, Finley, Lepisto, 1st

Jeff Schultz-22 y/o top 4 defender
Joe Finley-6'7 250 lbs of anger.
Sami Lepisto-NHL ready offensive d-man. Would be up with the big club, but we're overstocked on top-6 dmen


Basically, thats 4 1sts for Pronger. The only reason i would give up that much value is Mike Green is on a 4 year contract and will probably want ~7.5m to resign at the end of that 4 years. I don't want to pull an Ottawa and come so close year after year but never win the cup. I want to win it this year.


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In order to make an educated offer, one needs to know what the Ducks are looking for. What are the Ducks' needs and expectations if they were to trade away Pronger?
They need both offense and Defense buuuuttt... they only have 3 signed D for next season... and off the top 6 D that have played the most game, 4 out of the top 6 are UFA's...

iI would think if you could package 2 of our NHL D with 2 prospects (1 D, 1 F) and a 1st in 2009... you'd get close to what anaheim wants!

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