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What's the main problem with our team ?

View Poll Results: What' the main problem with our team
Lack of offensive D-Men to replace Streit 18 18.75%
We badly need a real first line center to setup Andrei 30 31.25%
Goltending 11 11.46%
All that problem must be fixed 37 38.54%
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02-08-2009, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SherbrookeW View Post
Can we have some rational analysis of this team and its problems? It's not that hard -- and no, the idea that they're "soft" or "don't care" or "lack grit" doesn't help at all. ( If you think the reason that NHL players play badly is because they're uninterested or cowardly how do all of us explain our hockey careers? Are we not in the NHL because when we played we were soft and scared? Or because we didn't have the right skills, natural or learned?)
Here are the problems,and those responsible, as I see them after forty years of Habdom:
1. Carey Price: obviously, Gainey made a serious error in turning the job over to him before he was really ready. (Unless one believes that the Huet trade was essentially a mistake predicated on thinking we'd get Hossa and another goalie.) He's been shaky since the playoffs, the whole league has a book on him (it has one chapter:"High, Glove Side" ), and he is losing his confidence nightly. This could be a real disaster in the making, since a goalie without confidence is a goalie without a future. Fault: Gainey. Cure: rest , and better coaching.
2. Kovalev. His problems have nothing whatever to do with a "lack of desire" or whatever the haters are saying this week, and everything to do with a loss of speed. It happens to all highly skilled players eventually; it happened to Guy Lafleur a lot sooner than it's happened to Kovy. But now it has happened, and he won't get that step back. So what to do? He has zero trade value, unless Detroit or someone wants additional Cup insurance. The only thing to do is to let him play his game, and pray that we make the playoffs and he finds himself on the pp. Yes, it's a remote chance. But there's no better plan. Fault: Gainey, again, for not seeing this coming, and Carbo for not adjusting to the reality but getting mad at it.
3. Now the real heart of the problem: both Kosts, Plekanec, Higgins, Komi...with the exception of Markov, who was playing his way up from All-Star to Norris candidate, and maybe Lapierre, who's great but a third liner, all of the bright young talent on this team has either stalled this year or gone backwards. They were talented youngsters on their way to being solid NHLers and maybe stars, and they have not made even normal progression. Why is that? Does anyone doubt that Higgins on the Islanders (or AK 46 on , say, Atlanta) would be scoring far more. In brief, the problem again is coaching. Carbo forgets Scotty Bowman's basic rule : everyone has a role, and everyone has to play it. Scorers score, checkers check, fighters fight, occasionally. LEt's adapt to this rule, set the skaters free, and see what happens.
well said..

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Losing Streit was huge to team...we need an offensive defenseman. Make one move improves team in three areas. Makes is easier to move puck out of our end, plus add to our powerplay and overall offense. Look what happened to other teams this year after adding these type of offensive defenseman. San Jose with adding Boyle and Blake, or Chicago after adding Campbell and the play of Seabrooke and Keith.

Boumesster would do wonders here...but he would be tough to get even if he is available. We don't have many puck carrying defenseman. Markov really only one, O'Bryne and Komisarek are stay at home type defenseman. Bouillon can't handle the puck, Hamrlik is so-so at best, Gorges is not much better if not worse handling the puck.

I voted for losing Streit as our main struggles this season. Karble, maybe Ohlund. I would say Kuba but he's had groin problems lately, stay away from him. Ian White could be good cheap pickup, I think better than Schneider. Who could be done

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What's the main problem ? Goaltending

It's not more complicated than that, when the team trusts a goalie to make the big saves, everyone plays a better game and most other problems go away.

Bad goaltending has been the main catalyst for our current slump and the only way we're getting out of it is by having one of Halak, Price or Denis () step up and become a starting goalie again.

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Originally Posted by Brisk-Illusion View Post
What's the main problem ? Goaltending

It's not more complicated than that, when the team trusts a goalie to make the big saves, everyone plays a better game and most other problems go away.

Bad goaltending has been the main catalyst for our current slump and the only way we're getting out of it is by having one of Halak, Price or Denis () step up and become a starting goalie again.
Sorry, but you're sadly mistaken if you think this is a goaltending problem only.

Yes, Price has played poorly the last couple of weeks but so have the defense and the forwards. This is not one isolated problem, defensive zone coverage is absolutely terrible. Just look at how Jaybo turned our guys into swiss cheese when we played Florida, or the bone headed play Komi made against the Sabres.

This is a total team breakdown starting from the coaches to the injuries to the lacklustre play. Montreal needs help at foward this is very obvious since losing Lang, Tanguay, Higgins, Koivu, Lats....same on defense after going through injuries and no one really stepping up to fill the void.

As far as Price is concerned for this year I believe the Habs are commited to Price/Halak for good or bad. If the D play the tight game they had earlier this year and the forwards stop missing assignments we will be ok. This BS I read about a book on Price is just that BS. He is lacking in condfidence and needs to get his head straight. He has the talent he just needs the leadership from the caoching staff to get to that pont.

Funny, how people fall off the bandwagon at the first sign of trouble. What did everyone think, Price going to win the vezina and the Habs are winning the stanley cup every year?? Lay off the bong people.

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02-09-2009, 05:26 PM
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I think the main problem has been that we as fans have gotten a bit complacent. Entitlement has set in. Like we somehow deserve to have a contending team again, and just because Gainey has put some of the foundations in place with his youth movement, it's going to happen automatically. Without any effort on anybody's part.

Whereas in the Good Olde Days (i.e. last year), we had a proper sense of our place in the universe, paradoxically of both our insignificance and our ability to influence and appease the Hockey Gods via various rituals, sacrifices, etc. Maybe I've missed it, but I haven't really seen the same piety from Habs fans. We've taken players as false idols at times, and I can see how that might draw a retaliation penalty from the Hockey Gods. From pretzels to poutine and beyond, I think we at least had a forum to express ourselves to the almighty HGs, and even if they subsequently chose to either ignore us or deal treacherously with us, at least we were putting forth the requisite effort that was expected of us.

Now, it's all our own little petty tirades, whining and beseeching, all directed at ourselves and the players/coaches/management, nothing that really takes into consideration the bigger picture. 40 days and 40 nights of raining on our Centennial parade might be a suitable wakeup call for us.

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