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02-09-2009, 09:53 PM
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Is Gainey the problem?

Bob Gainey has been GM since 2003. When he entered - in 2003 - these were the Habs main criticsm's:

-Small / Soft
-Lack of size at center
-Lack of true offensive potential

Although he's built quite a pipeline of solid prospects (yet nobody with any kind of high-end potential)....OUR ISSUES REMAIN THE SAME.

-We are still small and soft.
-We still dont have any size down the middle, and the only hope we have is in the name of Kyle Chipchura (Ben Maxwell aint a big kid).
-We still lack high-end offensive potential.



So what has changed since 2003? Why have other teams remained competitive, and even re-invented themselves in a shorter period of time (boston/anaheim/philly/nyj/detroit/san jose).

At some point, Bob needs to be held responsible..he's most likely the most over-rated GM in the league.

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Bob Gainey has been GM since 2003. When he entered - in 2003 - these were the Habs main criticsm's:

-Small / Soft
-Lack of size at center
-Lack of true offensive potential

Although he's built quite a pipeline of solid prospects (yet nobody with any kind of high-end potential)....OUR ISSUES REMAIN THE SAME.

-We are still small and soft.
-We still dont have any size down the middle, and the only hope we have is in the name of Kyle Chipchura (Ben Maxwell aint a big kid).
-We still lack high-end offensive potential.



So what has changed since 2003? Why have other teams remained competitive, and even re-invented themselves in a shorter period of time (boston/anaheim/philly/nyj/detroit/san jose).

At some point, Bob needs to be held responsible..he's most likely the most over-rated GM in the league.
Thanks for depressing me...

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02-09-2009, 09:55 PM
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Sadly this board is more depressing then that period.

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No. Rookie coaches are the problem. Last time we won a Cup? When we had an experienced coach. Montreal seems to think that we can skimp out on coaching and train on the job. Works great doesn't it?

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If people dont want to have the ability to lack at our team from an objective unbias perspective, im sure you will see things for what they really are.

Calling out fans who truly want the best result possible, is not really going to help.

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Bob Gainey has been GM since 2003. When he entered - in 2003 - these were the Habs main criticsm's:

-Small / Soft
-Lack of size at center
-Lack of true offensive potential

Although he's built quite a pipeline of solid prospects (yet nobody with any kind of high-end potential)....OUR ISSUES REMAIN THE SAME.

-We are still small and soft.
-We still dont have any size down the middle, and the only hope we have is in the name of Kyle Chipchura (Ben Maxwell aint a big kid).
-We still lack high-end offensive potential.



So what has changed since 2003? Why have other teams remained competitive, and even re-invented themselves in a shorter period of time (boston/anaheim/philly/nyj/detroit/san jose).

At some point, Bob needs to be held responsible..he's most likely the most over-rated GM in the league.
we made the playoff 4 seasons out of 5

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02-09-2009, 09:58 PM
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Well I think he's done the best he can to improve the team where needed.

He was in on Sundin since last February and traded the smallest guy on the team for Robert Lang (essentially). I wouldn't blame Gainey for the team's problems. This team should be playing better, no questions asked.

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No. Rookie coaches are the problem. Last time we won a Cup? When we had an experienced coach. Montreal seems to think that we can skimp out on coaching and train on the job. Works great doesn't it?
How can Carbo change the softness on this team, lack of size..lack of grit..?

Its all about the ability to recognize roster weaknesses, and adressing these issue through roster management.

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we made the playoff 4 seasons out of 5
And won one series.

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we made the playoff 4 seasons out of 5

So what?

The best result we've had in 1993, was in 2002 where we actually got to 6 games vs. Carolina.


Who gives a ****?


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we made the playoff 4 seasons out of 5
1 round..

ANd i dont see this team go far this year either thats if the Habs can make it to the playoff.

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So what?

The best result we've had in 1993, was in 2002 where we actually got to 6 games vs. Carolina.


Who gives a Fahk?
well gainey became the GM when the team did not make the playoffs 5/6 years. So i guess he did improve our team.

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Gainey is awesome. The players are undermining his efforts, IMO.

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I don't think so, Gainey's been the best GM the team has had for quite some time. Really turned around the organization.

But it's a fair point to say that the team has only won 1 playoff series during this time. That's pathetic. And Gainey hasn't addressed (although the rumours say he has swung out trying to land every single star available) the lack of a true offensive franchise player.

The players are making his personnel decisions look bad. But to be fair to Gainey, today's NHL looks completely dead when it comes to trades. The real action is around UFA season, and teams that overpay look stupid in the long run - look at the Rangers stuck with the albatross contracts of Scott Gomez, and of Chris Drury. Although I think the only reason we don't have those stupid contracts on the books is because Gainey got rejected, not because he wasn't interested in throwing money around.

It's frustrating yes, with the lack of true progress it seems to becoming a Cup contender, but there's always hope for us fans.

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02-09-2009, 10:07 PM
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I don't think so, Gainey's been the best GM the team has had for quite some time. Really turned around the organization.

But it's a fair point to say that the team has only won 1 playoff series during this time. That's pathetic. And Gainey hasn't addressed (although the rumours say he has swung out trying to land every single star available) the lack of a true offensive franchise player.
Your contradicting yourself.. your saying he's a top GM then admitting that he hasnt adressed our needs.

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Either you do the job or you dont..and if you dont, then try to find somebody that will?

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02-09-2009, 10:09 PM
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Dumping Julien to give his buddy a job is definitely a problem.

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Your contradicting yourself.. your saying he's a top GM then admitting that he hasnt adressed our needs.

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Either you do the job or you dont..and if you dont, then try to find somebody that will?
Not really no, what I'm trying to say is that it's not like trades are easy to happen in the new NHL.

If Gainey isn't doing the job who will - he's still taken a bottom rung team to at least a playoff team.

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Dumping Julien to give his buddy a job is definitely a problem.
I don't think so. Julien couldn't give young players icetime to save his life. I don't think he's as great of a coach as some think. Although Carbonneau is no Jack Adams when it comes to coaching.

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he was great until he hired carbo has the head coach
we have our second coming of Mario Tremblay upon us guys
watch all our young talent get ****ed withing the next years

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I dont believe he is the problem. It is carbo. No matter how bad it will look for gainey to fire carbo, being its the 100th year, and he brought him in, HE MUST DO SO!
I believe that if gainey wants to stick to his idealogy of having a diverse european team, then he must have the proper management in place to win. I have nothin against having all the russians on the team, I do want a coach who can cater his coaching style to producing the most out of these guys. Gainey is the one who can do it. When he took over as interim coach before carbo became head coach, he commanded fear from the players. They respected him. It is time for gainey to get behind the bench and teach kovy and sergei how to play some hockey and win some games.
Gaine's sole mistake was bringing in carbo. Get someone who can put up with russian attitudes, because the bottom line is our team is filled with them, so either we work around them , or we say hello to john tavares!

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02-09-2009, 10:21 PM
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I don't think so. Julien couldn't give young players icetime to save his life. I don't think he's as great of a coach as some think. Although Carbonneau is no Jack Adams when it comes to coaching.
Who cares? Even if it was time for Julien to go(which i disagree with), go out and get somebody proven!! This team didn't need another coaching project.

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Gainey cant make a trade to save his life, he lives by the saying...

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"

Unfortunatly the other 29 gms actively try and improve their teams and consistantly outdo him. Gainey has had 5 years now and has accomplished next to nothing.

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and slowly Hab fans are realizing that we literally have the most incompetent management since 1993..............

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Everyone thought Gainey's moves were good. With hindsight we can see there are a lot of problems with that lineup. It's not too late to fix it, but clearly this team doesn't have what it takes to win intense games (like in the playoffs).

Not enough size and intensity up front and our defensemen suck (except Markov, and Hamrlik even he's not having a good season). And of course the lack of experience in goals.

You won't win a cup with a bunch of Kostitsyns for sure.

How are the coaches supposed make a winning team out of those guys?

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02-09-2009, 10:29 PM
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The scary thing is he thinks his best move was hiring Carbo.

Honestly how much input did he have on Timmins and Savards' beauty draft picks? Without the youth those 2 guys gave us this team could be horrifyingly bad right now.

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Slow Bob Gainey {Slingblade} certainly has never addressed the teams needs, so yeah.. if you aren't part of the solution you can be considered part of the problem.

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