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02-07-2009, 07:43 PM
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Turco was with Morrow when they attended the Rangers game where Avery threw out the first pitch. I think it's fair to say that Turco tried to make him feel welcome... of course he also scapegoated Avery for his own failings when things imploded.
I don't count that because it was a team appearance. They were representing the Stars and "welcoming" him to the team.

Had that not been a function for the organization, I doubt Turco would have been there. Will never know, but based on his comments post signing and post blow-up, he didn't try too hard.

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Turco was with Morrow when they attended the Rangers game where Avery threw out the first pitch. I think it's fair to say that Turco tried to make him feel welcome... of course he also scapegoated Avery for his own failings when things imploded.

Happy days back then.

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02-07-2009, 08:21 PM
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Turco, Modano, and Robidas all made disparaging comments after he was signed. Morrow never did. I haven't even heard him say anything overly hateful since the fiasco. He's the only Stars player that called the team out and placed some of the blame back on them.
The worst I have heard Morrow say after the suspension was along the lines of him just not fitting in. During his first radio interview after the signing, Morrow provided a mea culpa of sorts and stated directly that since Avery is a teammate he'll treat him as such. Morrow has been a class act through all of this. Modano and Turco have been just as culpable in my mind.

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Going on what we've heard it's hard to call Avery the bad teammate here in Dallas. Seems like the only two guys who tried to make him feel welcome was Morrow and Richards.

As for bad players. Chris Pronger is a pos in comparison. Avery's never stepped on someone during a game. He never tried to decapitate another player by swinging his stick like a weapon. He's a loudmouth, narcissist. Hardly the worst guy in the league or pro sports. I don't want to sound like an Avery apologist but the locker room here was never a place he could succeed. Witness the fact that Sydor's presence has been so positive off the ice and thus his subpar play on the ice is ignored and he continues to get big minutes.

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02-07-2009, 11:02 PM
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Going on what we've heard it's hard to call Avery the bad teammate here in Dallas. Seems like the only two guys who tried to make him feel welcome was Morrow and Richards.

As for bad players. Chris Pronger is a pos in comparison. Avery's never stepped on someone during a game. He never tried to decapitate another player by swinging his stick like a weapon. He's a loudmouth, narcissist. Hardly the worst guy in the league or pro sports. I don't want to sound like an Avery apologist but the locker room here was never a place he could succeed. Witness the fact that Sydor's presence has been so positive off the ice and thus his subpar play on the ice is ignored and he continues to get big minutes.
Uh, Sydor has actually done something with his career (rings). Avery has done crap.

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02-07-2009, 11:05 PM
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Uh, Sydor has actually done something with his career (rings). Avery has done crap.
Psh. Who needs Cups when you have the NHL make rules the day later for actions that you did during a playoff game?


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02-07-2009, 11:55 PM
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Psh. Who needs Cups when you have the NHL make rules the day later for actions that you did during a playoff game?


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02-08-2009, 10:14 AM
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Going on what we've heard it's hard to call Avery the bad teammate here in Dallas. Seems like the only two guys who tried to make him feel welcome was Morrow and Richards.

As for bad players. Chris Pronger is a pos in comparison. Avery's never stepped on someone during a game. He never tried to decapitate another player by swinging his stick like a weapon. He's a loudmouth, narcissist. Hardly the worst guy in the league or pro sports. I don't want to sound like an Avery apologist but the locker room here was never a place he could succeed. Witness the fact that Sydor's presence has been so positive off the ice and thus his subpar play on the ice is ignored and he continues to get big minutes.
I largely agree with you, but to play a bit of Devil's advocate here, what if it's not necessarily the leadership within the room that was bad but rather that it's more like a country club where only their people can get in and play? That would seem to support previous years and the decision by most Stars players to treat Avery as an outsider, something Avery was probably all too happy to support with his own personality.

That leads to another question or two to go along with your mention of Sydor's effect on the room outweighing his poor play, thus pushing Tippett to give him more minutes to make him more important. Was Norstrom that big of a leader or did the team just accept him? Sure, he was a former captain and certainly Grossman looked up to him, but I don't recall reading or hearing much about him behind the scenes aside from Grossman. Further, though there is a different leadership provided by a coach versus a player, is Barnes now completely cut off from providing any sort of leadership to the team? The team might have cut Barnes off too.

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Mayby what Avery said wasn't all the bad even though it was pretty classless, but when the coach of your team tells you to not talk to the media and then you call the media over right after that to make that comment. There is problem with that, and that is a player I don't want on the stars. The Cowboys have enough of those type of players for Dallas.

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Uh, Sydor has actually done something with his career (rings). Avery has done crap.
Avery won a Cup with Detroit in 2002.

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He never played a single game during the Wings' cup run.

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Lot's of good to great players have never won the cup that's hardly the standard Avery should be judged by.

I'm not sad to see Avery go, all I wanted to get across is that Dallas fans shouldn't be wishing him ill to the point where he never plays in the NHL again. Hell I've far more hate in my heart for Jordan Tootoo, Chris Pronger, or a thug like Ben Eager than Avery.

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I don't even think Avery had enough games played to qualify for a ring from that Detroit Cup.

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His name is not on the Stanley Cup...

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Lot's of good to great players have never won the cup that's hardly the standard Avery should be judged by.

I'm not sad to see Avery go, all I wanted to get across is that Dallas fans shouldn't be wishing him ill to the point where he never plays in the NHL again. Hell I've far more hate in my heart for Jordan Tootoo, Chris Pronger, or a thug like Ben Eager than Avery.
Same here.

I really don't hate Avery, but I was opposed to the signing from day one (more pressing matters than an agitator, plus he was overpaid, but then again, who wasn't this year).

And you really can't argue with the complete 180 this team has made since his departure. While he was here, I was among the more vocal Stars fans on here trying to convince naysayers that Avery WASN'T the reason for Dallas's troubles. But it seems that pretty much everyone's upped their game since the Calgary fiasco, and look where they are now. From 15th to 5th.

Obviously I was hoping for the best when Avery signed, but afterwards it was just one disaster after another.

I wish him all the best on whatever team he ends up with.

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Mayby what Avery said wasn't all the bad even though it was pretty classless, but when the coach of your team tells you to not talk to the media and then you call the media over right after that to make that comment. There is problem with that, and that is a player I don't want on the stars. The Cowboys have enough of those type of players for Dallas.
It was actually worse than that. Tippett asked him if he was going to address the media, and Avery said no.

Tippett was more pissed about being lied too than the content of what he said. It wasn't Avery just doing what the coach said not to do. Tippett never even told him he couldn't talk to the media.

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Avery won a Cup with Detroit in 2002.
We don't bring up the team which shall not be named on this forum.


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He never played a single game during the Wings' cup run.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/...nZZWCCLvZivLYF

Why say that without actually knowing what you're talking about. And I remember him specifically saying he got a ring for that Championship run. Maybe he's not on the Cup, but oh well.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/...nZZWCCLvZivLYF

Why say that without actually knowing what you're talking about. And I remember him specifically saying he got a ring for that Championship run. Maybe he's not on the Cup, but oh well.
Ironic cause I was going to say the same thing to you. He never played in any of the playoff games hence he did not play in the championship run.

http://stars.nhl.com/team/app?page=P...e=page&tab=crs

When you get to the page if you would be so kind as to click on the career stats tab when you get there and then scroll down to the little area that says playoff stats RWs (the team that shall not be named) are no where on there.

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Also here.

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Also here.
So lets say by chance the Dallas Stars win the cup and Morrow doesnt play a game during the playoffs... But they dress him for the last game... Would his name still be on the cup because he didnt reach the min number of games played

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players appearing in 41 regular-season games or one Stanley Cup Final game for the championship team have their names engraved on the Cup. The NHL makes exceptions for players who do not meet the standard because of injury or other extenuating circumstances.
He will be there

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He will be there
I think a team can petition for a player to be put on the Cup if they don't meet minimum requirements.

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The Cup winning team can also file a petition to have a player's name added. That's not rare, but it is extremely rare if it's a rookie.

In Avery's case, he certainly could have received a ring because it's at the owner's discretion how many rings he buys and gives out. It's the team's discretion to petition the NHL for inclusion of a non-automatic player to be engraved on the trophy, and it's the NHL's discretion to accept or deny the petition.

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So here is a hypothetical for you (as if imagining we have already won the cup isn't hypothetical enough), suppose Avery waited just over a month longer till January 15 to make his comments and all the aftermath that followed. Avery would have played 41 games at that point. So can the team petition to keep a player's name off the cup?

(obviously I know we would not be in the position we are in if everything had played out a month later, but this is theoretical so don't nitpick!)

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