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what will happen with carbo??

View Poll Results: What will happen with Carbo
He wil be fired within a week or so 30 18.52%
he will be fired at the end of the season 12 7.41%
he will resign because from embaressment 9 5.56%
both him and gainey will be fired before sesason end 7 4.32%
he will stay the coach for years to come 104 64.20%
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02-12-2009, 10:02 AM
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that actually isnt a terrible idea


Must I remind you that Timmins picked A Kost instead of Jeff Carter ?

Don't glorify !

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02-12-2009, 10:02 AM
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I think that for the next team bonding day they should spend the day golfing, because thats where they will be in 25 games or so, on the golf course. I could not believe this teams response to loosing 6-2, loosing 7-2 I mean c'mon this is the same team that was among the top teams in the league just a month ago. I saw carbo on sportscenter this morning and he was saying "you can have all the talks you want but it's when you get out on the ice is what counts". I think this was a direct shot at the players only meeting, somebody should have asked him "carbo what was the gain of putting Josh Gorges up front? He is doing some of the weirdest things with these players this year that I have ever seen. How could they have axed Claude Julien so easily but hang on to carbo so long? I am not a coach, but I think a good coach can lead a team through rough times, and every team has them, Detroit just lost 5 straight the other day, look at them now. For Gods sake dont the canadiens brass have video they can look at about when we were beating everyone? Show it to them, for Gods sake do something!!!

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02-12-2009, 10:09 AM
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Must I remind you that Timmins picked A Kost instead of Jeff Carter ?
He was actually eyeing Ryan Getzlaf, IIRC.

But Andrei Kostitsyn was probably the most talented player in that draft at the time, and was seen as a top-5 pick if it weren't for his health issues. As such, once Montreal determined his epilepsy would not be a problem, it was a perfectly sensible selection at the time. And there's plenty of players picked behind him that aren't as good, why don't we talk about those?

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02-12-2009, 10:25 AM
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What a bunch of morons we can read here. It`s increadible.

Players got rid of Michel Therrien, Claude Julien, Alain Vigneault. All have proved after they were great coaches.

Like I mentioned in an other post, players in Buffalo also tried to get rid of Lindy Ruff, but management kept him in place.

We need for once and for all to tell this team they will need to follow the leader. And that guy isn't the one having a C on his shirt, or who which he had it.
You can't be serious, Michel Therrien a great coach.

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02-12-2009, 10:28 AM
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He was actually eyeing Ryan Getzlaf, IIRC.

But Andrei Kostitsyn was probably the most talented player in that draft at the time, and was seen as a top-5 pick if it weren't for his health issues. As such, once Montreal determined his epilepsy would not be a problem, it was a perfectly sensible selection at the time. And there's plenty of players picked behind him that aren't as good, why don't we talk about those?

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02-12-2009, 10:36 AM
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Wasn't work ethic the knock on Ryan Getzlaf?

Anyhow, yes, the Habs really need to draft that big center. Of course the guy has to be available and there has to not be a surefire talent out there -- like when the Habs didn't draft Kopitar and picked Price instead.

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02-12-2009, 10:37 AM
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And there's plenty of players picked behind him that aren't as good, why don't we talk about those?
Well, rounding out the top 20 were the following:
11 Jeff Carter
12 Hugh Jessiman
13 Dustin Brown
14 Brent Seabrook
15 Robert Nilsson
16 Steve Bernier
17 Zach Parise
18 Eric Fehr
19 Ryan Getzlaf
20 Brent Burns

Of these Kostitsyn is definitely better than Jessiman, Nilsson, Bernier and Fehr. To say that it was a deep draft is an understatement. So a fair assessment is that the pick was decent, but could have been much better given the talent in the draft.

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Of these Kostitsyn is definitely better than Jessiman, Nilsson, Bernier and Fehr. To say that it was a deep draft is an understatement. So a fair assessment is that the pick was decent, but could have been much better given the talent in the draft.
Sure, but drafting is inherently a very inexact science. The best you can do is look for batting average and hope you hit a home run now and again, unless you have first-overall picks (and even that is occasionally troublesome).

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You can't be serious, Michel Therrien a great coach.
How many coaches are Jack Adams final candidates each year?

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How many coaches are Jack Adams final candidates each year?
Do you remember his throat slashing gestures? Come on.

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I still can't believe he put the 4th line on an offensive faceoff twice in a row.

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02-12-2009, 10:56 AM
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The results of this poll show the drama queens' claim for fame to no avail. Carbo is not the problem as few here want to lead us to believe and I, for one, am please to see that a vast majority of the fans recognize that.

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02-12-2009, 10:57 AM
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Unfortunately what will happen to him and what i want to happen to him are two totally different things.

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02-12-2009, 10:59 AM
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I think carbo tries to hard. Let the kids play, eventually we'll start winning again.

"y capotes ben trop"

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02-12-2009, 11:00 AM
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The results of this poll show the drama queens' claim for fame to no avail. Carbo is not the problem as few here want to lead us to believe and I, for one, am please to see that a vast majority of the fans recognize that.
umm the poll was not "what do you want to happen to him?", it was "what will happen to him".

So your logic here is wayyy off. We all know Gainey won't fire him and thats what the poll indicates. It doesn't indicate weather people agree with it or not..

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02-12-2009, 11:04 AM
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The results of this poll show the drama queens' claim for fame to no avail. Carbo is not the problem as few here want to lead us to believe and I, for one, am please to see that a vast majority of the fans recognize that.
he is one of the problems

he has lost the this team. did you not see the expression on his face last night after many terrible plays by "his players". it was disgust for them.

gainey is the other problem

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Must I remind you that Timmins picked A Kost instead of Jeff Carter ?

Don't glorify !
Carter was also passed by other teams. Parise and Getzlaf also went very late in that year (2003). Get off the draft it's a crap shoot. Furthermore is Kostitsyn would flourish playing in Philly or Anaheim. Montreal is a sufficating place to play due to media and the style of play they insist on....

No. Team Player Pos. Team/League
1. Pittsburgh (from Florida) Marc-Andre Fleury G Cape Breton (QMJHL)
2. Carolina Eric Staal C Peterborough (OHL)
3. Florida (from Pittsburgh) Nathan Horton C Oshawa (OHL)
4. Columbus Nikolai Zherdev F CSKA (Russia)
5. Buffalo Thomas Vanek LW Minnesota (WCHA)
6. San Jose Milan Michalek RW Budejovice (Cze.)
7. Nashville Ryan Suter D U.S. U-18
8. Atlanta Braydon Coburn D Portland (WHL)
9. Calgary Dion Phaneuf D Red Deer (WHL)
10. Montreal Andrei Kostitsyn W CSKA (Russia)
11. Philadelphia (from Phoenix) Jeff Carter C Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
12. N.Y. Rangers Hugh Jessiman RW Dartmouth (ECAC)
13. Los Angeles Dustin Brown RW Guelph (OHL)
14. Chicago Brent Seabrook D Lethbridge (WHL)
15. N.Y. Islanders Robert Nilsson C/W Leksand (SWE)
16. San Jose (from Boston) Steve Bernier RW Moncton (QMJHL)
17. New Jersey (from Edmonton) Zach Parise C North Dakota (WCHA)
18. Washington Eric Fehr RW Brandon (WHL)
19. Anaheim Ryan Getzlaf C Calgary (WHL)
20. Minnesota Brent Burns RW Brampton (OHL)
21. Boston (from San Jose-Toronto) Mark Stuart D Colorado (WCHA)
22. Edmonton (from NJ-St. Louis) Marc-Antoine Pouliot C Rimouski (QMJHL)
23. Vancouver Ryan Kesler C Ohio State (CCHA)
24. Philadelphia Mike Richards C Kitchener (OHL)
25. Florida (from Tampa Bay) Anthony Stewart C/W Kingston (OHL)
26. Los Angeles (from Colorado) Brian Boyle C St. Sebastien's (USHS)
27. Los Angeles (from Detroit) Jeff Tambellini LW Michigan (CCHA)
28. Anaheim (from Dallas) Corey Perry RW London (OHL)
29. Ottawa Patrick Eaves RW Boston Coll. (HE)
30. St. Louis (from New Jersey) Shawn Belle D Tri-City (WHL)


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he is one of the problems

he has lost the this team. did you not see the expression on his face last night after many terrible plays by "his players". it was disgust for them.

gainey is the other problem
I clearly explained in the Gainey thread that neither of them is the problem. I've also included ways to fix the ****ing problem. Get players who want to play!

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02-12-2009, 11:17 AM
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I clearly explained in the Gainey thread that neither of them is the problem. I've also included ways to fix the ****ing problem. Get players who want to play!
If coaching cannot be a problem with a team, then is there a such thing as a good coach? Washington Capitals are a prime example of how coaching can make or break a team.

Carbo's system is so wrong for these guys. We need somebody who can implement a system that compliments what his players strengths are..

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Has Carbo lost the dressing room?

Is Carbo out of solutions?

Do players improve under the guidance of Carbo and his staff?

Why do so many players actually play better in the first few weeks when they play for the Habs but then get progressively worst?

How can Price has sunk low? Is he being handled well?

How is Jarvis doing with the PP and the defensemen?

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Must I remind you that Timmins picked A Kost instead of Jeff Carter ?

Don't glorify !
Hard for Kostitsyn to prove himself when he's on a different line every second game.

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02-12-2009, 11:31 AM
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Gainey wont fire Carbo, but he might ask him to resign and place him in the office somewhere.

I really don't think this is a slump, to me it looks like they dont want to play for him anymore.
In my opinion he is trying to be there friends when he should be a boss. No one gets benched or sits in the press box besides Laraque.
No more field trips it should be 3 to 4 hour hard practices, its easier to play hard for 15/20 min a game then to practice hard for 3 or 4 hours.

This organization has got to stop assigning ex-players as coaches and get some one who has been a coach there whole career. John Tortorella is still available and he has lots of experience and won a cup. . Id give him a shot.

I dont think Carbs is a bad coach as much as I dont think he`s the right coach for this team.

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02-12-2009, 11:34 AM
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He will quit, because Gainey will never fire him. Or they will be both fired at the same time at the end of this season.

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02-12-2009, 11:35 AM
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If coaching cannot be a problem with a team, then is there a such thing as a good coach? Washington Capitals are a prime example of how coaching can make or break a team.

Carbo's system is so wrong for these guys. We need somebody who can implement a system that compliments what his players strengths are..
It's not Carbo's coaching. Am I the only one to notice that half the players on this team care and would go through a brick wall (Koivu, Kostopoulos, Lapierre, D'Agostini, Pacioretty, Gorges and even Higgins just to name a few) and the other half doesn't give a rat's ass out there? For **** sake, it could hit us like a sledge on the side of the head and people wouldn't see it? Get rid of Kovalev and his disciples and things will turn around!


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Depends what Boivin decides.. Cuz gainey wont fire Carbo..


The organisation wont fire the GM at the gates of the trade deadline.
depending how Gainey's doing at the trade deadline we'll know what will happen in the off season.

it's sad but the staff might pay for what's going.. when we all know the true problem are the vets on this team
Boivin has no say over hockey personel decisions..Thats Gaineys decision

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