Im asking which former NHL`ers (as in players) have become succesful coaches in the NHL?
And no im talking about those who had 2-3 seasons in the NHL, then coached in the minors- these coachs have paid their dues.
Im asking about coaches who have never done the time and have went from on the bench to behind the bench in the NHL.
Off the top of my head i can only think of Granato, Gretz and our friend Carbo. None of which have had sustained success.
Im thinking and i could be wrong, but as a player, do you think they respect the coach less if he hasnt paid his dues?
Its like being an employee and your boss hasnt passed through the chain of command...some people start whispering.
Justa theory im working with, and no, Toe Blake doesent count.
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Im asking about coaches who have never done the time and have went from on the bench to behind the bench in the NHL.
Off the top of my head i can only think of Granato, Gretz and our friend Carbo. None of which have had sustained success.
Carbonneau went through the chain of command when he was assistant coach for a few years in Dallas and also in Montreal in 01-02.
1st off Carbo is one excellent coach. team is struggling right now, but he has had a winning record since he was named as a coach.
then, the list is long. Lemaire and Bob Gainey are two great one.
Scotty Bowman was apparently a great player before sustaining an injury to an eye I believe (no source.. besides old folks!)
Larry Robinson won the cup as the Devils Coach.
Tippet, MacTavish, Sutter, Sutter and Sutter
oh man, the list goes on and on and on... im just gonna stop there intead of trying to humiliate you it's totally pointless. you are just so wrong.
excellent coaches dont have all their defencemen play forward.
Im asking which former NHL`ers (as in players) have become succesful coaches in the NHL?
And no im talking about those who had 2-3 seasons in the NHL, then coached in the minors- these coachs have paid their dues.
Im asking about coaches who have never done the time and have went from on the bench to behind the bench in the NHL.
Off the top of my head i can only think of Granato, Gretz and our friend Carbo. None of which have had sustained success.
Im thinking and i could be wrong, but as a player, do you think they respect the coach less if he hasnt paid his dues?
Its like being an employee and your boss hasnt passed through the chain of command...some people start whispering.
Justa theory im working with, and no, Toe Blake doesent count.
Lindy Ruff
Played 13 years in the NHL for Buffalo and New York, than became assitant coach for four years and got the job in Buffalo.
Why is he good now? Because EACH TIME A VETERANT TRIED TO BRING THE CLUB AGAINST HIS COACH, MANAGEMENT KEPT RUFF IN PLACE. It's been 10 years now, and his players play for him.
So what does the Canadiens need to win? A coach that is kept in place no matter what. And look elsewere for a solution, because Carbonneau and Gainey won't be replaced soon.
No sustained success either though by your definition.
i didnt have a definition of sustained success.
But techinically Colorado is struggling, Phoenix hasnt proved much since Gretz has been there, and yes the habs had a great season sandwhiched between one terrible one and one that is TBA but not looking pretty.
Played 13 years in the NHL for Buffalo and New York, than became assitant coach for four years and got the job in Buffalo.
Why is he good now? Because EACH TIME A VETERANT TRIED TO BRING THE CLUB AGAINST HIS COACH, MANAGEMENT KEPT RUFF IN PLACE. It's been 10 years now, and his players play for him.
So what does the Canadiens need to win? A coach that is kept in place no matter what. And look elsewere for a solution, because Carbonneau and Gainey won't be replaced soon.
very good point man, owners have kept that franchise stable, and it's working well for them right now. It would have been even better if Management was more pro-active in keeping or trading (not losing for nothing) their top flight players for picks, had they traded Drury and Brière I wonder how much more impressive they would be right now... that's a probable 2-4 1st round picks in a trade with two different teams... they'd be scary to think of in the future. And their scouts are underrated... very
very good point man, owners have kept that franchise stable, and it's working well for them right now. It would have been even better if Management was more pro-active in keeping or trading (not losing for nothing) their top flight players for picks, had they traded Drury and Brière I wonder how much more impressive they would be right now... that's a probable 2-4 1st round picks in a trade with two different teams... they'd be scary to think of in the future. And their scouts are underrated... very
They couldn't trade those guys. They were heavy contenders for the cup. You can't trade your top 2 forwards if you are going for the cup. Unless of course they are doing absolutely nothing. (wake up Kovalev)
very good point man, owners have kept that franchise stable, and it's working well for them right now. It would have been even better if Management was more pro-active in keeping or trading (not losing for nothing) their top flight players for picks, had they traded Drury and Brière I wonder how much more impressive they would be right now... that's a probable 2-4 1st round picks in a trade with two different teams... they'd be scary to think of in the future. And their scouts are underrated... very
And that is why Carbonneau will stay there. If Carbonneau leaves, it will be because Gainey is leaving too. And it won't happen this season.
I have been the first one to point at some bad moves Gainey made (oftenly the day they were announced), but it is much more important to have a group of players that respect authority, specially when most of them are kids.
