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02-13-2009, 02:26 PM
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I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble following this. Could you go a little slower?
Atlanta sends its #2 overall pick, its 3rd-round pick in 2009, its 3rd round pick in 2010 and gives the Islanders the right to swap 1st-round picks with Atlanta in 2010, and the Islanders send their #1 overall pick and a 2nd in 2010.

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ATL's #2 overall and 3rd in 2009 for NYI #1 overall
ATL's 3rd in 2010 for NYI 2nd in 2010 [and NYI gets right to swap 1st's in 2010]

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02-13-2009, 02:43 PM
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I will just take Hedman with the #1 pick and forget about trading picks Unless Snow wants to trade down to #9.....Then I will Have to hurt someone

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I will just take Hedman with the #1 pick and forget about trading picks Unless Snow wants to trade down to #9.....Then I will Have to hurt someone
So you don't think a high second rounder worth moving down 1 spot?(which we most likely would get Hedman there)

I actually think the best thing that could happen to the Islanders is they pick #2 after the draft lottery and end up with Hedman, that way there is no second guessing.

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Atlanta doesn't do this.

If they end up with Hedman and Bogosian, they're loving life.

If they end up with Tavares and Bogosian, they're loving life.

Either way, if they keep Kovalchuk and keep building and building (and somehow have the guts to fire John Anderson and replace him with Cunneyworth) they'll be in great shape.

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thrashers would rather the two amazing young D's than one superstar center. assuming they become what they have the potential to be of couse.

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02-13-2009, 07:17 PM
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Campoli? No thanks. Make it Okposo and you've got decent value, but still not enough.

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02-13-2009, 07:28 PM
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Campoli? No thanks. Make it Okposo and you've got decent value, but still not enough.

So, you don't think that Okposo and Taveres is not enough for Hedman and Bogosian?

Sorry, but this is a bit ridiculous.

Taveres > Hedman.
Okposo > Bogosian (although I admit this is debatable).

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Atlanta doesn't do this.

If they end up with Hedman and Bogosian, they're loving life.

If they end up with Tavares and Bogosian, they're loving life.

Either way, if they keep Kovalchuk and keep building and building (and somehow have the guts to fire John Anderson and replace him with Cunneyworth) they'll be in great shape.

Maybe some of the Thrasher fans can help me out here.
I thought Atlanta had been trying to get Kovalchuk to sign an extension,but that he wants to play for a playoff team and has refused?

He's a ufa July,2010.

If the Thrashers don't think they can keep Kovachuk past next season,then drafting Tavares may be their plan B.They've already got Bogo to build their defense around.

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Maybe some of the Thrasher fans can help me out here.
I thought Atlanta had been trying to get Kovalchuk to sign an extension,but that he wants to play for a playoff team and has refused?

He's a ufa July,2010.

If the Thrashers don't think they can keep Kovachuk past next season,then drafting Tavares may be their plan B.They've already got Bogo to build their defense around.
You answered your own question. We are not able to even begin contract extension talks until July 1st 2009 per the CBA.

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I have faith that we'll keep Kovalchuk, if only because he doesn't want to move his family.

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We are not able to even begin contract extension talks until July 1st 2009 per the CBA.
yes they can buddy. they just cant "sign" the deal until the first.

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yes they can buddy. they just cant "sign" the deal until the first.

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You answered your own question. We are not able to even begin contract extension talks until July 1st 2009 per the CBA.
I didn't realize that.

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So, you don't think that Okposo and Taveres is not enough for Hedman and Bogosian?

Sorry, but this is a bit ridiculous.

Taveres > Hedman.
Okposo > Bogosian (although I admit this is debatable).


Okposo is NOT better than Bogosian. Tavares being better than Hedman is debatable.

This is actually mostly likely an unfair trade for Atlanta. A player with first line potential, and a franchise center for two franchise defensemen.

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Okposo is NOT better than Bogosian. Tavares being better than Hedman is debatable.

This is actually mostly likely an unfair trade for Atlanta. A player with first line potential, and a franchise center for two franchise defensemen.
Okposo most certainly is better than Bogosian at this point in time.

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Okposo is NOT better than Bogosian. Tavares being better than Hedman is debatable.

This is actually mostly likely an unfair trade for Atlanta. A player with first line potential, and a franchise center for two franchise defensemen.
No offense, but you come across as quite ignorant.

Okposo and Bogosian is very debateable, but having watched both fairly closely (obviously, Okposo moreso), I'm reasonably confident Okposo will be the better player. I didn't think this would be the case, but he has become to show that sort of elite goal scoring capacity that marks him as a future 40 goal guy.

I'm not sure which one I'd take first because it is an apples-and-oranges comparison. Also, Bogosian is earlier in his development at a position that is much harder to learn. So, right now, I'd call it a toss-up.

Since virtually every scout in hockey rates Taveres above Hedman right now, I think that throws the other part of your post right out the window.

While I will admit that this deal is closer to fair than anything that has been proposed here, it still favors Atlanta by a substantial margin.

Your post was really, really weak. Homerism at its finest...

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Okposo most certainly is better than Bogosian at this point in time.
I wouldn't necessarily agree. As I said earlier, Bogosian is a year or two younger, and breaking in at a much harder position to learn. Right now, I'd say they are both impressive kids. I wouldn't be surprised if Okposo had a bigger impact earlier on within his own role. However, Bogosian should still be a stud.

I'd say it is a toss-up at the present time. At the very least, I'd say there has not been enough time to make a comparison that would have been difficult under the best of circumstances.

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I have faith that we'll keep Kovalchuk, if only because he doesn't want to move his family.

I suspect he will resign with Atlanta too. He seems to be a great fit for the city.

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No offense, but you come across as quite ignorant.

Okposo and Bogosian is very debateable, but having watched both fairly closely (obviously, Okposo moreso), I'm reasonably confident Okposo will be the better player. I didn't think this would be the case, but he has become to show that sort of elite goal scoring capacity that marks him as a future 40 goal guy.

I'm not sure which one I'd take first because it is an apples-and-oranges comparison. Also, Bogosian is earlier in his development at a position that is much harder to learn. So, right now, I'd call it a toss-up.

Since virtually every scout in hockey rates Taveres above Hedman right now, I think that throws the other part of your post right out the window.

While I will admit that this deal is closer to fair than anything that has been proposed here, it still favors Atlanta by a substantial margin.

Your post was really, really weak. Homerism at its finest...
Not homerism in the least. You cannot throw out that label for something having to do with two players who do not yet play for NHL teams. Hedman and Tavares are easily switched around based on the needs of the teams drafting them. For example, if Tampa were to draft first, there's a pretty good chance that they'd take Hedman. For Atlanta and New York, while both teams could use Tavares more, neither would complain if they got Hedman. They're two terrible teams in desperate need of a franchise player (Although Atlanta already has two of those), and Tavares and Hedman will both be franchise players.

On the Bogosian/Okposo thing, Bogosian is projected as a franchise defenseman. There's the big thing: FRANCHISE defenseman. Okposo is projected as a high quality first liner. Bogosian is tough, extremely solid defensively for an 18 year old, and has a ton of offensive potential. Right now, Doughty's getting all the hype, but in the end, a lot of people suspect that Bogosian will be the better player (IMO, they'll be equal players, with Doughty being better offensively, and Bogosian being better defensively).

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Not homerism in the least. You cannot throw out that label for something having to do with two players who do not yet play for NHL teams. Hedman and Tavares are easily switched around based on the needs of the teams drafting them. For example, if Tampa were to draft first, there's a pretty good chance that they'd take Hedman. For Atlanta and New York, while both teams could use Tavares more, neither would complain if they got Hedman. They're two terrible teams in desperate need of a franchise player (Although Atlanta already has two of those), and Tavares and Hedman will both be franchise players.

On the Bogosian/Okposo thing, Bogosian is projected as a franchise defenseman. There's the big thing: FRANCHISE defenseman. Okposo is projected as a high quality first liner. Bogosian is tough, extremely solid defensively for an 18 year old, and has a ton of offensive potential. Right now, Doughty's getting all the hype, but in the end, a lot of people suspect that Bogosian will be the better player (IMO, they'll be equal players, with Doughty being better offensively, and Bogosian being better defensively).
I love this reasoning. Despite the fact that Okposo has shown a whole lot more than Bogosian at this point in time, Bogosian is the more valuable asset becasue you personally PROJECT him to be better over the longterm.

However, the fact that every scout in hockey PROJECTS Tavares to be a far higher impact player than Hedman is irrelevant.

As I said, you're unmitigated homer. You twist everything to suit your slant on things.

Oh, and having watched Daughtery and Bogosian, I think you are seriously deluded if you think Bogosian will ever have that kind of impact. Neither Kyle Okposo nor Zach Bogosian are going to come close to that level.

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I love this reasoning. Despite the fact that Okposo has shown a whole lot more than Bogosian at this point in time, Bogosian is the more valuable asset becasue you personally PROJECT him to be better over the longterm.

However, the fact that every scout in hockey PROJECTS Tavares to be a far higher impact player than Hedman is irrelevant.

As I said, you're unmitigated homer. You twist everything to suit your slant on things.

Oh, and having watched Daughtery and Bogosian, I think you are seriously deluded if you think Bogosian will ever have that kind of impact. Neither Kyle Okposo nor Zach Bogosian are going to come close to that level.
Who the hell is Daughtery? Isn't he a singer?

You obviously cannot accept that you're wrong.

Bogosian >> Okposo. It's as simple as that. Even with his injury, Bogosian has played better than Okposo.

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Who the hell is Daughtery? Isn't he a singer?

You obviously cannot accept that you're wrong.

Bogosian >> Okposo. It's as simple as that. Even with his injury, Bogosian has played better than Okposo.
Right. And, that's how it because you said so.

You have no support at all for your argument. Its just pure homerism...

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