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02-17-2009, 09:20 PM
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i don't think rathje makes a difference because he is on LTIR and will stay there forever.

1st, jones, metro, kukonen/alberts/ vaananen & 2ND 2010?

jones, metro, & kuk/alberts/vaananen @ $5MM.
i never said anything about metro, kukonen, alberts or vaananen

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i never said anything about metro, kukonen, alberts or vaananen
I think that was a separate proposal.

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I want none of Pavel Kubina.

Ryan Parent is the answer to our defensive woes for now.
i love parent and look forward to him being a solid shut down dman in the future but he is only 6'2" 205lbs with about a week of playoff experience...the flyers still need to address position of big dman that can play in the top 4.

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02-17-2009, 09:27 PM
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I would expect a 1st and a mid level prospect if a salary dump was coming our way.
I think that's a reasonable expectation.

I know some of my fellow Flyers fans don't like Kubina or his contract, but I'm a fan of what he brings to the table.

I would do something like a 1st, Nodl and Jones. The only hitch I could see in that scenario, is that it may not clear enough cap space.

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i never said anything about metro, kukonen, alberts or vaananen
the deal would still include the 1st & 2nd rd picks, jones...kukonen/alberts/vaananen (choice of one) would help to make salaries work and all are expiring contracts.

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02-17-2009, 09:30 PM
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How about this? Lupul, Metropolit, and a 1st for Kubina and a 3rd. Flyers then send Jones and the Flyers 3rd for Recchi (or do that first, if the cap necessitates).

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I would do salary dump (Jones) +decent prospect+1st for Kubina but Philly is dangerously close to the cap and fitting 5 million in doesn't make sense financially.

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How about this? Lupul, Metropolit, and a 1st for Kubina and a 3rd. Flyers then send Jones and the Flyers 3rd for Recchi (or do that first, if the cap necessitates).
I don't have any issues with that proposal either.

I'd also do something centered around Lupul and Jones to Toronto for Kubina, with picks to even things out if need be.

I think there are enough options to make a deal happen if Philly wants to make a move on Kubina.

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I would do salary dump (Jones) +decent prospect+1st for Kubina but Philly is dangerously close to the cap and fitting 5 million in doesn't make sense financially.
Philly's still got $2-million + in cap space for this season, and Kubina's contract would ring in at about $1.5-million at the max. if they got him at the deadline, so I don't think it'd be much of an issue for this year. And with Hatcher and Rathje (who according to nhlnumbers.com is still on the cap) both coming off the books at $3.5-million apiece, there will be room next year as well.

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I don't have any issues with that proposal either.

I'd also do something centered around Lupul and Jones to Toronto for Kubina, with picks to even things out if need be.

I think there are enough options to make a deal happen if Philly wants to make a move on Kubina.
Honestly, I like Lupul, but I don't think that Burke takes Jones who will be on the books for another season. I could possibly something with Lupul and Kubina, which would clear enough space both now and in the future for the Flyers, and give the Leafs a forward who could be a part of the rebuild.

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02-17-2009, 09:54 PM
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I would do this

To Phi: Kubina, Moore

To Tor: Jones, Lupul 1st '09, Marshall. We may need another piece for the salary we're taking on but it's not like Lupul and Jones are old guys but the Lupul one because of length would require Burke to be very interested in what he could bring but I'd be comfortable with a trade like this. Marshall is simply a decent prospect to help accomodate to addition of both contracts. Moore was added as a replacement to the pick some guys are requesting adding some good depth for Phillies playoff push that is an expiring contract which I think also appeals to Philly.

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02-17-2009, 10:02 PM
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Honestly, I like Lupul, but I don't think that Burke takes Jones who will be on the books for another season. I could possibly something with Lupul and Kubina, which would clear enough space both now and in the future for the Flyers, and give the Leafs a forward who could be a part of the rebuild.
That's fair enough. I can understand not wanting to take Jones, but I think moving Lupul alone still leaves us needing to clear salary to take on Kubina. Its pretty much the reason you see Jones in every proposal Flyers fans make.

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I would do this

To Phi: Kubina, Moore

To Tor: Jones, Lupul 1st '09, Marshall. We may need another piece for the salary we're taking on but it's not like Lupul and Jones are old guys but the Lupul one because of length would require Burke to be very interested in what he could bring but I'd be comfortable with a trade like this. Marshall is simply a decent prospect to help accomodate to addition of both contracts. Moore was added as a replacement to the pick some guys are requesting adding some good depth for Phillies playoff push that is an expiring contract which I think also appeals to Philly.
I think that's too much from the Flyers. If we're sending Lupul, I don't see any way we also send a 1st or Marshall, because we really don't need Moore.

I'd consider Lupul, Jones and a 3rd for Kubina, the pick thrown in as some compensation for taking on Jones' salary for multiple years.

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That's fair enough. I can understand not wanting to take Jones, but I think moving Lupul alone still leaves us needing to clear salary to take on Kubina. Its pretty much the reason you see Jones in every proposal Flyers fans make.
Yeah, I guess nhlnumbers has it wrong, since they claim that Philly has over $2million in cap space.

Maybe something like:

Lupul + Metro + 2nd + Maroon

for

Kubina + ???

Don't know if that's fair value, or if something would need to be added to even things out. I think that may be enough space, but even if it's not, I'm sure you guys would be able to find a way to move Kuk somehow, in a trade, or just by sending him to the Phantoms for the rest of the year.

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getting Kubina and Stajan would be great but we just cant fit it under the cap.

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Upshall, 2nd in 09

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Kubina

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02-17-2009, 10:23 PM
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Upshall, 2nd in 09

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Maybe something like:

Lupul + Metro + 2nd + Maroon

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Kubina + ???
I'm down for that, depending on what the + is from the Leafs

EDIT: I don't believe we have a 2nd in 2009

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Flyers Roster Breakdown Info
Briere 6.5m
Richards 5.75m
Gagne 5.25m
Carter 5m
Hartnell 4.2m
Knuble 2.8m UFA
Lupul 2.31m 4.25m
Upshall 1.25m RFA
Metro 1m
Asham .640m
Cote .550m
Giroux .822m

Total Forwards salary 35,048,334

Timmonen 6.33m
Carle 3.43m
Jones 2.75m
Coburn 1.3m
Alberts 1.25m UFA
Vannanen 1m UFA
Parent .855m

Total Defense salary 16,925,833

Biron 3.5m UFA
Nitty 1.22m UFA

Total Goalie salary 4,725,000


Total team salary 56,699,167
Salary Cap 56,700,000

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I want none of Pavel Kubina.

Ryan Parent is the answer to our defensive woes for now.
Agreed. Besides, Ed Snider has made it very clear that the Flyers are no longer dealing young players or first round picks for players that are 30 or older.

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02-17-2009, 10:36 PM
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its going to have to be more or equal going to Toronto for this to work


Philly gets
Kubina 5m

Toronto gets
Jones 2.75m
Metro 1m
Vannanen 1m
picks prospects w/e


Basically no trade will work with Toronto b/c after those three nothing can be traded from philly. If we add Lupul we would need Stempniak or Stajan.

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i love parent and look forward to him being a solid shut down dman in the future but he is only 6'2" 205lbs with about a week of playoff experience...the flyers still need to address position of big dman that can play in the top 4.

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I beg to differ. I think Parent is perfectly fine in that role. Desjardins wasn't a banger and he was a solid guy because he was great positionally. Parent is that kind of player. He's a great positional player that doesn't take himself out of the play. He'll be perfectly fine in the top four. The Flyers really don't need Kubina, his 5 million dollar contract and the cost that it's going to take to acquire him. I'd rather the Flyers sit on the first round pick and let a guy like Parent play and get experience in this type of situation. It's more beneficial in the long run.

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I beg to differ. I think Parent is perfectly fine in that role. Desjardins wasn't a banger and he was a solid guy because he was great positionally. Parent is that kind of player. He's a great positional player that doesn't take himself out of the play. He'll be perfectly fine in the top four. The Flyers really don't need Kubina, his 5 million dollar contract and the cost that it's going to take to acquire him. I'd rather the Flyers sit on the first round pick and let a guy like Parent play and get experience in this type of situation. It's more beneficial in the long run.
I agree that a top four of

Timmo Coby/Parent
Carle Coby/Parent
Alberts

will work but i just feel we need a top 3dman to add to this!!!! If we stick with these five we need a very solid third line dman.

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I think that's too much from the Flyers. If we're sending Lupul, I don't see any way we also send a 1st or Marshall, because we really don't need Moore.

I'd consider Lupul, Jones and a 3rd for Kubina, the pick thrown in as some compensation for taking on Jones' salary for multiple years.
My bad I thought you guys just wanted to get rid of both of them for salary reasons.

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To Philadelphia:
D Pavel Kubina ($5.0M)
C Matt Stajan ($1.75M)

To Toronto:
LW Scott Hartnell ($4.2M)
RW Joffrey Lupul ($2.3M)
2009 3rd round pick

Works almost perfectly capwise.

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To Philadelphia:
D Pavel Kubina ($5.0M)
C Matt Stajan ($1.75M)

To Toronto:
LW Scott Hartnell ($4.2M)
RW Joffrey Lupul ($2.3M)
2009 3rd round pick

Works almost perfectly capwise.
Hartnell won't be going anywhere, so its a moot point.

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its going to have to be more or equal going to Toronto for this to work


Philly gets
Kubina 5m

Toronto gets
Jones 2.75m
Metro 1m
Vannanen 1m
picks prospects w/e


Basically no trade will work with Toronto b/c after those three nothing can be traded from philly. If we add Lupul we would need Stempniak or Stajan.
Toronto wouldn't have a problem adding one of the two but if salary is an issue why would you consider adding these guys for next year? They both have a cap hit just under 2 million. If they are added your offer goes down the drain. The first would be a must.

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