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02-18-2009, 10:50 AM
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We all know the Rangers' salary cap problems. Given that, it seems obvious to me that we need to focus on players that give us our best bang for our buck. Half the fans on this board seem willing to give up Staal for Lecavalier. Hopefully this little excercise will show why that would be a poor trade for us to make.

Cap numbers are taken from:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=NYR

Rate each player from 1 to 5 in terms of their cap cost vs. their production.

1 = Way underpaid
2 = Underpaid
3 = Earning their pay
4 = Overpaid
5 = Way overpaid

Here is how I would rate them:

PlayerCap HitFinal Yr2010 StatusRating
 
Scott Gomez 7,357,143 2014 5
Chris Drury 7,050,000 2012 5
Markus Naslund 4,000,000 2010 3
Nikolai Zherdev 2,500,000 2009 RFA 2
Petr Prucha 1,600,000 2009 RFA 4
Lauri Korpikoski 1,017,533 2009 RFA 3
Aaron Voros 1,000,000 2011 4
Pat Rissmiller 1,000,000 2011 4
Fredrik Sjostrom 840,000 2009 RFA 3
Brandon Dubinsky 633,333 2009 RFA 2
Blair Betts 615,000 2009 UFA 2
Nigel Dawes 587,500 2009 RFA 3
Ryan Callahan 575,000 2009 RFA 2
Colton Orr 537,500 2009 UFA 3
 
Wade Redden 6,500,000 2014 5
Michal Rozsival 5,000,000 2012 4
Dmitri Kalinin 2,100,000 2009 UFA 4
Paul Mara 1,950,000 2009 UFA 3
Dan Girardi 1,550,000 2010 3
Marc Staal 826,667 2010 1
Erik Reitz 500,000 2009 RFA 3
 
Henrik Lundqvist 6,875,000 2014 3
Stephen Valiquette 725,000 2009 UFA 3

Lecavalier's cap hit starting next year until 2020 is 7,727,273. Anyone think he's worth more than that? At best, he would be a 3. If we could trade Gomez, Drury or Redden for him without impacting the rest of our roster, then it would be a clear upgrade. But adding Staal to the deal would kill us as he gives us the best bang for the buck of anyone on our roster, IMO.

If we really want to be a cup contender year after year, we have to get our money's worth from each player, and more in some cases. Right now we have too many players not earning the money they are making. Our first priority should be to rectify that situation. Adding more salary, even if the player is worth what he is making, isn't going to help us if it's at the expense of players who are outperforming their contracts.

I'm interested to see how others will rate them, though I'd guess that most people would rate Staal a 1 and Gomez, Drury and Redden a 5.

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02-18-2009, 10:54 AM
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All kidding aside, its just another hatefest thread.

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All kidding aside, its just another hatefest thread.
I didn't make this thread to hate on our overpaid players, but rather to point out that we should be keeping the players who provide us the best values.

I don't know if we'll be able to unload any of our bad contracts, but that should be our primary goal IMO. Adding another high priced player, great as he may be, won't help us enough to make us contenders. If we are going to continue to carry players who aren't living up to their contracts, then we need more players who are outplaying their contracts, not less.

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02-18-2009, 11:02 AM
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Decent ratings, id say that Voros is earning his pay at only 1 mil though.

For the record i'm against getting Lecavelier 100%.

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I didn't make this thread to hate on our overpaid players, but rather to point out that we should be keeping the players who provide us the best values.

I don't know if we'll be able to unload any of our bad contracts, but that should be our primary goal IMO. Adding another high priced player, great as he may be, won't help us enough to make us contenders. If we are going to continue to carry players who aren't living up to their contracts, then we need more players who are outplaying their contracts, not less.
I totally get it Gag, I just have reservations, most people on this board think everyone but Staal is overpaid.

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Cally has easily been a great bang for the buck this season. Zherdev, despite some criticism, has definitely been worth $2.5MM.

But of course, this is an unrealistic way to look at things. Contracts are a function of years of service, contract status, etc. A guy like Cally hasn't done much in his career to warrant a bigger pay and will get it next season. A guy like Gomez (OK, bad example, but stay with me) was a UFA, which is totally different than an entry level contract, or RFA, etc., so naturally many 23 year olds will be better bangs for the buck than 30+ year olds. I say this because the intent of such a thread is to point out how bad the contracts of Drury and Gomez are and how good the contracts of some guys making under $1MM are, but there's really little conclusions to be drawn.

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Cally has easily been a great bang for the buck this season. Zherdev, despite some criticism, has definitely been worth $2.5MM.

But of course, this is an unrealistic way to look at things. Contracts are a function of years of service, contract status, etc. A guy like Cally hasn't done much in his career to warrant a bigger pay and will get it next season. A guy like Gomez (OK, bad example, but stay with me) was a UFA, which is totally different than an entry level contract, or RFA, etc., so naturally many 23 year olds will be better bangs for the buck than 30+ year olds. I say this because the intent of such a thread is to point out how bad the contracts of Drury and Gomez are and how good the contracts of some guys making under $1MM are, but there's really little conclusions to be drawn.
I see your point, but at the same time I think Naslund is earning his money and Mara is earning his, or maybe even outproducing it this year. Both were UFAs signed to short term deals. That is money well spent IMO.

Yes, players on ELC or RFA contracts usually provide good values, while UFA contracts tend to be inflated and provide less value. But the point is that we shouldn't be looking to trade the player that provides the most value to the team. As good as Lecavalier is, he won't help this team enough if we get him at the expense of Staal. Our cap problems would only be worse. And the same goes for any other player not named Malkin, Crosby or Ovechkin.

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02-18-2009, 02:45 PM
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I don't agree with Redden's rating....

I would give him an 8

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I don't agree with Redden's rating....

I would give him an 8

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PlayerCap HitFinal Yr2010 StatusRating
 
Scott Gomez 7,357,143 2014 5
Chris Drury 7,050,000 2012 5
Markus Naslund 4,000,000 2010 3
Nikolai Zherdev 2,500,000 2009 RFA 3
Petr Prucha 1,600,000 2009 RFA 5
Lauri Korpikoski 1,017,533 2009 RFA 3
Aaron Voros 1,000,000 2011 4
Pat Rissmiller 1,000,000 2011 5
Fredrik Sjostrom 840,000 2009 RFA 3
Brandon Dubinsky 633,333 2009 RFA 2
Blair Betts 615,000 2009 UFA 2
Nigel Dawes 587,500 2009 RFA 3
Ryan Callahan 575,000 2009 RFA 2
Colton Orr 537,500 2009 UFA 3
 
Wade Redden 6,500,000 2014 5
Michal Rozsival 5,000,000 2012 3
Dmitri Kalinin 2,100,000 2009 UFA 4
Paul Mara 1,950,000 2009 UFA 3
Dan Girardi 1,550,000 2010 3
Marc Staal 826,667 2010 1
Erik Reitz 500,000 2009 RFA 3
 
Henrik Lundqvist 6,875,000 2014 3
Stephen Valiquette 725,000 2009 UFA 3

That's my table, didn't change much. I was tempted to lower Drury to a 4, but opted not to. I'd like to see what both Gomez and Drury would actually do with a scorer on their wing, a real one, not Naslund or Zherdev. If they had said goalscorers, I'd probably be ok with them at 5mil/yr and thats only 2 mil less than what they're making a year. That being said their production to salary this season does warrant being way overpaid.

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they're also incorrect about Rissmiller's contract, im 99% sure he was signed for 1 yr and Voros for 3....

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Cally has easily been a great bang for the buck this season. Zherdev, despite some criticism, has definitely been worth $2.5MM.

But of course, this is an unrealistic way to look at things. Contracts are a function of years of service, contract status, etc. A guy like Cally hasn't done much in his career to warrant a bigger pay and will get it next season. A guy like Gomez (OK, bad example, but stay with me) was a UFA, which is totally different than an entry level contract, or RFA, etc., so naturally many 23 year olds will be better bangs for the buck than 30+ year olds. I say this because the intent of such a thread is to point out how bad the contracts of Drury and Gomez are and how good the contracts of some guys making under $1MM are, but there's really little conclusions to be drawn.
what criticism? The only negative things I've heard about Z here have been that fans have overrated him, which is true.


But I agree, I say this a lot. When you have a salary cap league and you're successful usually you've got players that are overpaid and players that are underpaid. Doesn't justify the contracts of Gomers, Dru and Redden...especially Redden. But it's a good point to keep in mind.

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