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02-21-2009, 12:30 AM
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Not enough to get traded apparently.



And Kovalev brings elite talent, something the Habs desperately lack.



Not if they get Lecavalier.....


Oh and they also have Koivu and Price, who I'd still both consider to be elite talent

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02-21-2009, 12:31 AM
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If that's what your looking for the Pens and Canadiens could maybe work something straight up...


I'd like to see something along the lines of....


To Montreal:

Jordan Staal

Miroslav Satan

Hal Gill

Kevin Veilleux (forward prospect)

Dustin Jeffrey (forward prospect)

1st in 09


To Pittsburgh:

Alex Kovalev

Andre Kostitsyn

Sergei Kostitsyn

PK Subban

4th in 2010
C'mon, you know those type of trades never happens... outside of NHL09

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02-21-2009, 12:32 AM
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Not enough to get traded apparently.



And Kovalev brings elite talent, something the Habs desperately lack.
Tanguay
A. Kostitsyn
Pacioretty
Higgins
D'Agonstini

possibly S Kostitsyn

They're pretty stacked on talented wingers. But they play a finesse game that dedicated and disciplined teams are able to plow through.

I personally am a fan of Kovalev but most people are really down on him because he has some minor issues. If you were MTL, what would you ask for Kovalev that the Penguins would consider giving up?

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C'mon, you know those type of trades never happens... outside of NHL09


Umm I think it could be realistic...


Kovalev and Sergei K are very tradeable, the only name that isn't mentioned all the time there is Andre K....


I mean I really think that's a very fair larger trade....

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Not if they get Lecavalier.....


Oh and they also have Koivu and Price, who I'd still both consider to be elite talent
Our only 2 elite talent are Markov and Price, and Kovy when he wants to.

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Ya Blake would be an upgrade, but The Pens can get a better player for their money. Do you want to pay a 37 year old Jason Blake 4M? Cause I don't.

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Tanguay
A. Kostitsyn
Pacioretty
Higgins
D'Agonstini

possibly S Kostitsyn

They're pretty stacked on talented wingers. But they play a finesse game that dedicated and disciplined teams are able to plow through.

I personally am a fan of Kovalev but most people are really down on him because he has some minor issues. If you were MTL, what would you ask for Kovalev that the Penguins would consider giving up?
Letang was an healthy scratch right?

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Letang was an healthy scratch right?


No Letang wasn't, and he's not getting moved unless it's part of a package to acquire a superstar...

And Kovalev isn't going to get anywhere near a superstar's trade value

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At this point I would be pretty content with the Pens rolling with what we have aside from ditching some of our crap if we can, we have a bunch of guys who will be ufa come the off season, would rather see them retool the line up in the off season, keeping as many options open for free agency as we can. Then if they are not happy with what they can put together, look for a trade. Unless of course a great trade comes along.

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Letang was an healthy scratch right?
I'm pretty sure MTL is stacked on D as it is. Markov, Komisarek, Schneider, Gorges, Hamrlik, Brisebois, Dandenault, O'Byrne, Boullion.

Letang is obviously worth more than Kovalev. What else would be going to Pittsburgh? Subban?

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Ya Blake would be an upgrade, but The Pens can get a better player for their money. Do you want to pay a 37 year old Jason Blake 4M? Cause I don't.


Exactly what I was thinking....


If I did anything with Toronto I'd offer...


Eaton

Dupuis

2nd in 2009

4th in 2010


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Stempniak

Ponk

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Exactly what I was thinking....


If I did anything with Toronto I'd offer...


Eaton

Dupuis

2nd in 2009

4th in 2010


for

Stempniak

Ponk
At first glance that is pretty craptacular for the Leafs.

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Umm I think it could be realistic...


Kovalev and Sergei K are very tradeable, the only name that isn't mentioned all the time there is Andre K....


I mean I really think that's a very fair larger trade....
Not fair at all. I'm a big fan of Staal and I think he's getting way too much heat for not producing but I'm also big on the brothers, especially the way Andrei's been playing lately. Subban on top of that?

Kovy's a major upgrade on Satan so we lose out on that too. Veilleux could be good but right now his value is meh... Gill is a journeyman dime a dozen defenseman. Really the only valuable part we're getting is Staal.

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At this point I would be pretty content with the Pens rolling with what we have aside from ditching some of our crap if we can, we have a bunch of guys who will be ufa come the off season, would rather see them retool the line up in the off season, keeping as many options open for free agency as we can. Then if they are not happy with what they can put together, look for a trade. Unless of course a great trade comes along.


I kinda wish management would agree...

But without a shakeup of some kind with the roster this team won't make the playoffs which is considered a massive failure and they will do everything to make sure that doesn't happen...

Expect a minimum of one big move...


The UFA pool isn't that great this offseason anyway

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Ya Blake would be an upgrade, but The Pens can get a better player for their money. Do you want to pay a 37 year old Jason Blake 4M? Cause I don't.
If I have the kind of salary commitments Pittsburgh has I'd be happy with a 34 and 35 year old Jason Blake at 4 million and satisfied with a 36 year old Jason Blake with 4 million. The last year I'd bite the bullet and consider a price paid for the previous 3 years.

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Not fair at all. I'm a big fan of Staal and I think he's getting way too much heat for not producing but I'm also big on the brothers, especially the way Andrei's been playing lately. Subban on top of that?

Kovy's a major upgrade on Satan so we lose out on that too. Veilleux could be good but right now his value is meh... Gill is a journeyman dime a dozen defenseman. Really the only valuable part we're getting is Staal.


For what it's worth Jeffrey and Veilleux are 2 of our top 10 prospects right now....

There's also a 1st rounder involved, and Gill is a physical presence which Montreal does lack right now...

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Exactly what I was thinking....


If I did anything with Toronto I'd offer...


Eaton

Dupuis

2nd in 2009

4th in 2010


for

Stempniak

Ponk
At a 2nd glance as well

Eaton and Dupuis are absolutely worthless to them and no one in their right mind would give up Stempniak and Ponk for a crapshoot

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I kinda wish management would agree...

But without a shakeup of some kind with the roster this team won't make the playoffs which is considered a massive failure and they will do everything to make sure that doesn't happen...

Expect a minimum of one big move...


The UFA pool isn't that great this offseason anyway
Hasn't Shero already suggested that no big moves are likely? they have remained pretty staunch on the stance that they are confident in what they have.

UFA pool isn't great but we don't need nor can we afford great, good will suffice.

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Exactly what I was thinking....


If I did anything with Toronto I'd offer...


Eaton

Dupuis

2nd in 2009

4th in 2010


for

Stempniak

Ponk
I'd do that in a second.

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At a 2nd glance as well

Eaton and Dupuis are absolutely worthless to them and no one in their right mind would give up Stempniak and Ponk for a crapshoot

Add a top prospect going the other way...

We could stand to lose John Curry, Fleury isn't going anywhere....

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Hasn't Shero already suggested that no big moves are likely? they have remained pretty staunch on the stance that they are confident in what they have.

UFA pool isn't great but we don't need nor can we afford great, good will suffice.


Did anyone expect us to get Hossa last year and make the biggest splash at the deadline?


Just because it's not being talked about in public doesn't mean it won't happen....

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I'm pretty sure MTL is stacked on D as it is. Markov, Komisarek, Schneider, Gorges, Hamrlik, Brisebois, Dandenault, O'Byrne, Boullion.

Letang is obviously worth more than Kovalev. What else would be going to Pittsburgh? Subban?
Schneider, Brisebois, Dandenault and Bouillon aren't coming back.

I would definitely not add Subban. Maybe a pick or something. Habs won't trade Kovy unless it's worth it to do so.

Letang probably isn't available I'm just trying to make a point that Gainey won't get rid of Kovalev, he'll listen to the offers and if there's something worthwhile he's willing to trade him.

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Did anyone expect us to get Hossa last year and make the biggest splash at the deadline?


Just because it's not being talked about in public doesn't mean it won't happen....
Yeah but last year we made the big splash because they saw an opportunity to achieve something great and they nearly did, I doubt they have that same sort of enthusiasm at this point lol They also were able to look at the roster and decide that they had expendable players that other teams found value in, this season we don't really have that.

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Hasn't Shero already suggested that no big moves are likely? they have remained pretty staunch on the stance that they are confident in what they have.
http://hfboards.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=18069989
UFA pool isn't great but we don't need nor can we afford great, good will suffice.
Yeah, that turned out well this time.

Who do you have in mind for a UFA signing? The only really good signing I can think of is Cammalleri and he'd command 5-6 million. Maybe more.

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For what it's worth Jeffrey and Veilleux are 2 of our top 10 prospects right now....

There's also a 1st rounder involved, and Gill is a physical presence which Montreal does lack right now...
We need physical core players, not just physical players. And on D we're physical enough in my opinion.

Have no idea who Jeffrey is to be honest so I can't really judge, didn't notice the first round pick which makes it more interesting but replace Gill with Letang and it's much more closer to fair in my opinion.

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