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02-21-2009, 03:25 PM
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the post makes no sense. in fact there are so many holes in its logic i don't feel like breaking it all down.
based on the logic of your post, players are giving crime figures credit cards to go purchasing items, those items are then resold to go fund illicit activities and substances?
I'll try to explain the elementary transaction to you:

- Regular customer wants drugs but don't want to be bothered paying in cash for it every time.
- Regular customer gives credit card + pin number
- Drug dealer sends drugs to regular customer without having him pay for anything.
- Drug dealer does a cash advance by the amount he's owed on the credit card.
- Regular customer pays credit card balance at the end of the month.

To anyone from the outside, there was no money transaction since the regular customer is presumed to have done the cash advance himself (not the drug dealer). It doesn't really matter that there were records of the transaction, since it can never be tied to the drug sent.

As to what you said about Spitzer, it's a bunch of nonsense. Having worked for a big bank credit card dept, I know for a fact that some escort agencies (and what they provide...) will bill you on a credit card.

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02-21-2009, 03:25 PM
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The guy on CBC just said that he spoke to Gainey and that they were completely not surprised by this story. They had in fact conducted their own investigation and knew it was only a matter of time before it came out.

Knowing this explains a great deal about why BG didn't bother to reply to Perron's phone call. It is also probably why took steps to calm everything down very quickly and give that well delivered press conference in which he defused the situation very well. He explained that it was common for these individuals to attempt to infiltrate the team and they were on top of it. He answered every question calmly and took the wind out of the story's sails.

I have to commend BG on his handling of this and other issues. The team will be stronger once they are through this and the media will be weaker. It is really amazing how many people are ticked off at the media for over blowing something that could happen to each and every one of us.
of course. if anyone had paid attention to BG's press conference he made an analogy to knowing if 'habs players paid when they got on the bus or not'.

the team not only has security officials to 'look out' for players - for the most part anyway, but also he and upper management receive tip offs. they missed this one or maybe they didn't miss it, but the fact there was a wiretap meant the media picked up on it before habs' brass could deal with it internally.

keep in mind and it has been mentioned by many in the press. the k Bros are collateral damage to this story. this WASN'T an investigation of them, but mangiona and AXE, and they were caught in it.


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I'll try to explain the elementary transaction to you:

- Regular customer wants drugs but don't want to be bothered paying in cash for it every time.
- Regular customer gives credit card + pin number
- Drug dealer sends drugs to regular customer without having him pay for anything.
- Drug dealer does a cash advance by the amount he's owed on the credit card.
- Regular customer pays credit card balance at the end of the month.

To anyone from the outside, there was no money transaction since the regular customer is presumed to have done the cash advance himself (not the drug dealer). It doesn't really matter that there were records of the transaction, since it can never be tied to the drug sent.

As to what you said about Spitzer, it's a bunch of nonsense. Having worked for a big bank credit card dept, I know for a fact that some escort agencies (and what they provide...) will bill you on a credit card.
i don't disagree with you...it's plausible but sloppy. it leaves traces to work by credit card. always has and always will. + anyone who would give their pin to a drug dealer on their card is not only stupid but naive thus this is limited to very FEW people. i think the Bros k were dumb and naive...nothing more, nothing nefarious the media would have us believe.

if you had read the rest of my post correctly you'd also see that i mentioned you can pay escort services by credit card. the bottom line - that is sloppy too. and anyone who wants to maintain any level of secrecy is dumb to do anything that is traceable other than cash. one need look no further than all 'accounts' that get made public by escort agencies under investigation. these are signature traceable and phone password confirmed. no one is giving 'pins' to escort agencies either. thus cash

by the way, just as you worked with a bank, i work with private investigators


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The guy on CBC just said that he spoke to Gainey and that they were completely not surprised by this story. They had in fact conducted their own investigation and knew it was only a matter of time before it came out.

Knowing this explains a great deal about why BG didn't bother to reply to Perron's phone call. It is also probably why took steps to calm everything down very quickly and give that well delivered press conference in which he defused the situation very well. He explained that it was common for these individuals to attempt to infiltrate the team and they were on top of it. He answered every question calmly and took the wind out of the story's sails.

I have to commend BG on his handling of this and other issues. The team will be stronger once they are through this and the media will be weaker. It is really amazing how many people are ticked off at the media for over blowing something that could happen to each and every one of us.
He did great. He didn't try to deny it (like the old regime used to do). He instead admitted his concerns and acted on it. That's a great way to end all discussions, like it did.

Now, let's get back to hockey.

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if you had read the rest of my post correctly you'd also see that i mentioned you can pay escort services by credit card. the bottom line - that is sloppy too. and anyone who wants to maintain any level of secrecy is dumb to do anything that is traceable other than cash. one need look no further than all 'accounts' that get made public by escort agencies under investigation. these are signature traceable and phone password confirmed. no one is giving 'pins' to escort agencies either. thus cash

by the way, just as you worked with a bank, i work with private investigators
If you knew how many people gave their PIN numbers, you wouldn't be that surprised. Actually, I was really surprised to find out just how common it was.

Anyway, going back to "secrecy", well Hells Angels and Street gangs aren't really secretive about being part of a group that does illegal stuff. Mangiola has been well known by the law agencies for a while, he wasn't really a secret operator, but before Axe they just didn't have anything to nail him down. And working with credit card advances ain't something that can be used in courts so it's "safe" for him. Likewise, working that way would not make the Kost brothers criminally liable.

Bottom line is that the Kost brothers should not entertain regular contact with guys like Mangiola. I have friends who have family in the Hells Angels and when I had a business I could have made a lot of sales/got closer to Hells Angels members, but I knew better, even if I'm not a public personality. Did they buy/use drugs? Hopefully we will never know and if they did they will stop right away (and the Habs will monitor them). They got caught as bystanders in the Axe investigation and that should have never happened.

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If you knew how many people gave their PIN numbers, you wouldn't be that surprised. Actually, I was really surprised to find out just how common it was.

Anyway, going back to "secrecy", well Hells Angels and Street gangs aren't really secretive about being part of a group that does illegal stuff. Mangiola has been well known by the law agencies for a while, he wasn't really a secret operator, but before Axe they just didn't have anything to nail him down. And working with credit card advances ain't something that can be used in courts so it's "safe" for him. Likewise, working that way would not make the Kost brothers criminally liable.

Bottom line is that the Kost brothers should not entertain regular contact with guys like Mangiola. I have friends who have family in the Hells Angels and when I had a business I could have made a lot of sales/got closer to Hells Angels members, but I knew better, even if I'm not a public personality. Did they buy/use drugs? Hopefully we will never know and if they did they will stop right away (and the Habs will monitor them). They got caught as bystanders in the Axe investigation and that should have never happened.
agreed.
and i shake my head at anybody giving pins away for stuff that can so personally libelous / illegal / incriminating (especially public personalities) to people that have none of their actual interests at heart.... .
you're right, the Kos bros definitely stand accused of bad timing and being dumb

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i don't disagree with you...it's plausible but sloppy. it leaves traces to work by credit card. always has and always will. + anyone who would give their pin to a drug dealer on their card is not only stupid but naive thus this is limited to very FEW people. i think the Bros k were dumb and naive...nothing more, nothing nefarious the media would have us believe.

if you had read the rest of my post correctly you'd also see that i mentioned you can pay escort services by credit card. the bottom line - that is sloppy too. and anyone who wants to maintain any level of secrecy is dumb to do anything that is traceable other than cash. one need look no further than all 'accounts' that get made public by escort agencies under investigation. these are signature traceable and phone password confirmed. no one is giving 'pins' to escort agencies either. thus cash

by the way, just as you worked with a bank, i work with private investigators
its more plausible than you make it out to be.
1. money trail. there are certain flags, such as large, frequent late night withdrawls. this is circumvented by the "system" of credit, then eventual withdrawls/transfers of larger sums. asked, "why were you pulling out $300 at 4am every night" is harder to defend then, "why did you take out $2000 last week?"
2. money is dangerous for drug dealers, and buyers who are interested in larger quantities. if your dealing with big people, its a very risky business. not talking about the brothers, but the guy with their information. case in point, a friend of mine was a known dealer. moved alot of stuff. turns out during one of the transactions, the traffickers decided a $2 bullet was worth more than the profit they would get from a $15,000 transaction. not having large sums of cash on you/around your house is the safest course of action.
3. credit card withdrawls are safe for the buyer too. if someone your dealing with decides to take out a ton of money, or gets busted and they trace these transactions to you buying drugs from them, you report your credit card was stolen and most companies protect against that. AND the dealer knows this, and knows if he transfers it into his account, its reported stolen, it will be traced to him.

im not trying to say anything other than you have to understand its more common than you might believe. not on a general basis, but the "priveledged" clients dealing with the higher-end dealers.

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for anyone who didn't catch Scott Morrison on CBC - as per montreal police, there will be no charges pending against the three habs and no other habs implicated. it seems to be closed case vis-a-vis hab players

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He did great. He didn't try to deny it (like the old regime used to do). He instead admitted his concerns and acted on it. That's a great way to end all discussions, like it did.

Now, let's get back to hockey.
So Gainey lied yesterday because he said that he learned about the whole story since only a couple of days !

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Screw all of this! The guys of Les pieds dans la marge will send a poutine into space on radio-canada in about 10-15 minutes. Get your priorities straight!

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So Gainey lied yesterday because he said that he learned about the whole story since only a couple of days !
No, he didn't lie because he said he heard of the story a few days ago not of the facts concerning the Bros and the criminal. To my knowledge BG has not been caught in a lie. Ever. He's not stupid enough to not tell the truth when information is so easy to obtain these days. Why should he lie anyway, the media does a good job of shooting itself in the foot as we can all see.

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Still waiting for someone to post the video of Price, Higgins and SK "soignant leurs allergies' that Réjean Tremblay tlak about this morning...

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so what if your buying drugs thats the image of today....your making me worry about my kids maybe for you its ok for me as a parent its not the life style i want....hockey players are role models to and if its ok the canadiens have a bunch of druggies..then wow....
I saw my mom go to Cégep and my dad to U of M (then later U of Ottawa) even though both already had University degrees? Why because they came from Haïti! and guess what? They got their Canadian degrees and did so without having to go on welfare, worked everyday of their life, very hard raising 3 teenagers. Left a comfortable financial situation in Haïti to become basically High Schoolers in Quebec just so I could get a head start in this country.

So now that I'm in University (I wonder where I learned that education was important) and I think stuff is getting hard. I remember that my parents did this while raising children, so I suck it up and work hard. My parents are MY role models!

I wish parents stopped trying to say "Oh my child what is he going to think, these guys are role models". Enough with that drivel. These guys are entertainers, that's it that's all. They were all given an immense talent and are being payed to display it on the ice for OUR entertainment/enjoyment. It is NOT their job or responsibility to be a role model for your child.

That responsibility lies with you!

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Still waiting for someone to post the video of Price, Higgins and SK "soignant leurs allergies' that Réjean Tremblay tlak about this morning...
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Cherry backs the 3 Russians...heh.

He said Paul Kelly told him no charges, nothing else pending.

Pretty much said it's much ado about nothing.

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I'm amazed by how over panicking you are.

I've been partying for a very long time. I've been part of what many could consider the ''jet set'' lifestyle.

Let me tell you something, it is INCREDIBLY easy for young rich FAMOUS bachelors to meet people.
The Kost broz didn't know this guy from back in Russia or wherever. They probably met this guy in a club.

You know, when Habs players go somewhere, they usually tell the manager, if not the owner, of the place that they'll be coming so they can be well taken cared off.
Once they get there, they get in right away, and there's somebody to make sure they get whatever it is they need instantly. It's like that for any celebrity.

I've seen the Kost broz with Markov and Ovechkin partying it up in the middle of the club with bouncers around them. I've seen groupies brought up to Komi's and the rest of the hab's tables.

I mean, it's just how things work buddy.

Now, what I think truly happened is this guy was introduced to them as the guy that could hooked them up with anything and everything. As most, young, foreign and rich kid would do, you just accept and don't really bother asking question. You just ride the wave of happiness and being well taken cared off.

Maybe they scored dope, maybe they got hooked up with escorts, so freaking what?..are we THAT naive to believe athletes don't party like crazy?..
I don't remember when, maybe 80's or 90's, but at some point the whole Steelers's defensive line was partying in Miami at a house party of one of the biggest cocaine smuggler during his era (Reference: Cocaine Cowboys). They were all high up on yayo the day before the Superbowl. They obviously lost, but it's just to say, everybody does it.
Does this mean the whole defensive line should be prosecuted??..of course not. Don't even think this story was ever made public. .
Of course the story of the Pittsburgh Steelers was never made public because you made it up... The Steelers only lost one super bowl and it was in Arizona...

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I saw my mom go to Cégep and my dad to U of M (then later U of Ottawa) even though both already had University degrees? Why because they came from Haïti! and guess what? They got their Canadian degrees and did so without having to go on welfare, worked everyday of their life, very hard raising 3 teenagers. Left a comfortable financial situation in Haïti to become basically High Schoolers in Quebec just so I could get a head start in this country.

So now that I'm in University (I wonder where I learned that education was important) and I think stuff is getting hard. I remember that my parents did this while raising children, so I suck it up and work hard. My parents are MY role models!

I wish parents stopped trying to say "Oh my child what is he going to think, these guys are role models". Enough with that drivel. These guys are entertainers, that's it that's all. They were all given an immense talent and are being payed to display it on the ice for OUR entertainment/enjoyment. It is NOT their job or responsibility to be a role model for your child.

That responsibility lies with you!
You know something ? You're aces in my book. I have my youngest going off to university in th efall, I'd point out this post as something to emulate and admire long before anyone who has enough status to get into a club.

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There's a trilateral relationship here, between the fans, the Habs and the media.

But the only one who truly profits from both other parties is the media. Without the fans and the Habs, the sports media would cesse to exist, whereas, if the present sports media were to vanish, neither the fans nor the Habs would disappear. Yes, the media does have its role and does help and enables the fans to have a closer view at the Habs and the Habs to be better seen, but in all relativity, they are still the only one in the trio to be totally dependent on the two others, while the two others are not as dependent on the media to attain their primary goal. A team needs its fans first, and both have a symbiotic relationship, while media is only an outcome of this symbiotic relationship.

And often, the media is pretty much self-serving, not in regards of the truth, but of putting its own interest first, rather than being at the service of this relationship. That's what I blame the Montreal sports media of doing and being. Not in all instances and not at all degrees, but still very close to what one would call a parasite.

It irked me and I find it ironic everytime I hear some of the media over the years say how the team sometimes does not do things in the interest of the fans, and it was even mentioned in the present Kovalev case by some in the media. Yet their competitive market, which furthermore explains most Montreal sports media's penchant of being self-serving, drives them to go further than their competitors, and is more often than not having a negative impact on the team and hence, the fans. I'm not talking in this specific case (the K bros and Hammer). The media often has to chose whether they publish something negative towards the team, and often puts its interest first rather than the team and fans. Some chose wisily, but the flock is big and the low rongs will go to more extremes, just to get ahead.

The hype that the gangster relation case got on Thursday night was atrocious and showed the extent to which most sports medias will bite on anything they can get their greedy mouths on. I think we've seen much worse scandals in the sports world over the years and it was nothing to go over the top like what happened. It's fine we've got informed about this, but sincerily, I was kinda relieved that it wasn't as bad as it was hyped up to be.

The Montreal sports media is often very defensive about its nature and the consequence of its actions as the supposed vanguard of truth. They try to deflect any criticism, hiding behind rhetorics of serving everybody's interests. Fine. Yet they should indeed accept this criticism and accept responsibility for its own actions. They sure are able to present the blame at anytime, deservedly or not, on the organisation or fans. Their responsability towards this relationship should come into play as much as the organization has to do the same. It is out of neccesity that they should understand the importance of their responsability, which seems to be understood by only a few of them. There shouldn't be any debate over the fact that negative news sells more, and the media feeds off of that. Although it is also true that the better the club is, the better some of them are gonna profit too. There is a delicate balance to maintain, and sometimes it is lost to their self-serving nature, ignoring its responsibility towards the relationship. This can bring to a cycle of negativity like we've seen with free agents and trades. Those in the media who feed off of this negativity do indeed create a negative environment which can scare a lot of players to come and play here. It has been stated often by many players that the media is one of the reasons they wouldn't come here, but they've also stated more times than not how it is one of the best places to play (regarding the Bell Center and its fans).

Anyway, as we all know, nothing is gonna change. And for better or for worse, all three of us are stuck together. Why not make the best of it?

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I think the recent events should serve as a lesson to pretty much everybody.

1. First and foremost, the Montreal media – both french and english – share a big responsibility for what happened. I’m not talking about La Presse, who did his job with extensive research and documented facts. That’s all they printed. But all those who, on Thursday night, blew the bubble so big, make me wonder how they could comment for hours on a news piece that they hadn’t seen. Obviously, they took a big pot and stirred it with all the rumours (crazy and not so crazy) they had heard in the past few months. And it created one big ugly stew.

The media is already accused of feeding the beast too much; it reached new levels on Thursday. How radio hosts could have gone on the air saying there would be arrests at the airport is beyond me. That is not information. A kid named Maxime Deland – nowhere to be seen on the Canadiens beat – wrote a piece on Canoe that was pure fabrication. You put this on your website and you make it disappear hours later? That is not information.
The media has completely crossed the line on this issue. Every sports team in North America has its skeletons but the media usually maintains a Code...works both ways. The problem in Montreal is that the media have no scruples and will break The Code in a heartbeat if it means getting their two minutes of fame. The sensationalist manner of Montreal's media is much more like a British tabloid. Many of them are rotten non-sports fans who enjoy stirring things up....they are nothing more than a litter of rats.

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The media has completely crossed the line on this issue. Every sports team in North America has its skeletons but the media usually maintains a Code...works both ways. The problem in Montreal is that the media have no scruples and will break The Code in a heartbeat if it means getting their two minutes of fame. The sensationalist manner of Montreal's media is much more like a British tabloid. Many of them are rotten non-sports fans who enjoy stirring things up....they are nothing more than a litter of rats.
A code? You're kidding me, right?
And do they also have a code for corrupted politicians? A code for actors who have wrong accointances? A code for the Madoff in this world?
Why would they have to protect athletes? To make fans happy?

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I'll try to explain the elementary transaction to you:

- Regular customer wants drugs but don't want to be bothered paying in cash for it every time.
- Regular customer gives credit card + pin number
- Drug dealer sends drugs to regular customer without having him pay for anything.
- Drug dealer does a cash advance by the amount he's owed on the credit card.
- Regular customer pays credit card balance at the end of the month.

To anyone from the outside, there was no money transaction since the regular customer is presumed to have done the cash advance himself (not the drug dealer). It doesn't really matter that there were records of the transaction, since it can never be tied to the drug sent.

As to what you said about Spitzer, it's a bunch of nonsense. Having worked for a big bank credit card dept, I know for a fact that some escort agencies (and what they provide...) will bill you on a credit card.
I can't see somebody giving out their credit card. Way too much to lose. Essentially you are giving a drug dealer control of your life.

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The media has completely crossed the line on this issue. Every sports team in North America has its skeletons but the media usually maintains a Code...works both ways. The problem in Montreal is that the media have no scruples and will break The Code in a heartbeat if it means getting their two minutes of fame. The sensationalist manner of Montreal's media is much more like a British tabloid. Many of them are rotten non-sports fans who enjoy stirring things up....they are nothing more than a litter of rats.
Schooner, this code you're talking about made sports journalism look like a petty form of journalism. Go ask MAG (whom I like a lot as a journalist) if he's not sometimes view as a lesser sort of journalist because he covers hockey? Far too long, guys like Jacques Beauchamp and Red Fisher were playing dual games with the teams, hiding info because they were too close for comfort to the players or the organisation. That's not journalism. That's conflict of interest. And ever since guys like Ghislain Luneau (God bless his soul) have started to look less like ******, sports journalism in this province has looked more profesionnal. You, as a fan, might not like stories like this one (and I'm pretty sure there's more to it than what was published), but the fact of the matter is: this is a business now, not just a sport. And it should be treated just like any other business.

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Schooner, this code you're talking about made sports journalism look like a petty form of journalism. Go ask MAG (whom I like a lot as a journalist) if he's not sometimes view as a lesser sort of journalist because he covers hockey? Far too long, guys like Jacques Beauchamp and Red Fisher were playing dual games with the teams, hiding info because they were too close for comfort to the players or the organisation. That's not journalism. That's conflict of interest. And ever since guys like Ghislain Luneau (God bless his soul) have started to look less like ******, sports journalism in this province has looked more profesionnal. You, as a fan, might not like stories like this one (and I'm pretty sure there's more to it than what was published), but the fact of the matter is: this is a business now, not just a sport. And it should be treated just like any other business.
Even in business, there are ethics. I compare this situation to a woman accusing a man of ****. Even if the man is innocent and he is acquitted, the reputation will still follow him and hurt him for the rest of his life. You just can't go around accusing people of things or insinuating them without proof. What the media did to the Kosty bros was completely unfair, and, in my opinion, unwarranted. Now some people will think the Kosty bros have "criminal ties" or worse when, in reality, they were just friends with a small-time drug dealer.

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