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02-22-2009, 05:06 PM
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I think Minnesota could be interested in a trad down on draft day. If they finish the season just outside of a playoff spot, say around the 13th pick.
Im pretty sure they are without a pick in the second and third round, and they are seriously lacking talented prospect. So here goes....

To Wild:
SJ '09 1rd pick + Isles '09 2rd and 3rd pick + Isles '10 2rd pick.
(pick no.28,31,61 in 2009 + an early 2rd pick in 2010).

To Isles:
MIN '09 1rd pick.
(pick no.13)
That's an unprecedented overpayment - two 2nd rounders and a third to move up 15 spots in the draft. No thanks. In fact, I wouldn't give up more than the Leaf's 2nd this year.


It may wind up being relatively hard to move up because the draft is top heavy. If the Isles can move a 2nd rounder or something to drop down in the draft, that would be OK. Personally, I'm content to stay where we are. The way the draft is looking now, there will likely be prospects in the 20 - 30 range who are on par with the guys in the 10 - 20 range. So, better to stand pat on take as many shots as we can in the crapshoot called the draft.

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from what i can tell, the isles have:

NYI 1st rd (1-2)
SJ 1st rd (26-30)
NYI 2nd rd (31-32)
TML 2nd rd (33-35)
BOS 2nd rd (nokalainen played enough games) (57-61)
NYI 3rd rd (62-63)

if i were the islanders, i would try to package the SJ 1st and the NYI 3rd for a pick ~18 and then try to package 2 of the 2nd rounders for another first. That would leave the isles with three first rounders @ #1-2, ~18, and ~22. If i were the isles, i would also consider trading a 2010 2nd rounder for a 2009 2nd or in a package for a 2009 1st, as a good draft this year could make the isles contenders in 3-4 years.
I like that scenario, and given that Snow pursued quantity and trading down last year, I hope he pursues quality through trading up this year.

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a 3rd round pick.

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The Sabres traded the 13th pick and a 3rd round 2009 pick for the 12th pick. It just doesn't look like you could move up 10 spots in the first with a 3rd round pick.

For the guy with the minnesota deal how about

1st Round (SJ 28-30th)
2nd Round (NYI 31st)
2nd Round (TOR 33rd-35th)

for the 11th-14th pick

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That's an unprecedented overpayment - two 2nd rounders and a third to move up 15 spots in the draft. No thanks. In fact, I wouldn't give up more than the Leaf's 2nd this year.

It may wind up being relatively hard to move up because the draft is top heavy. If the Isles can move a 2nd rounder or something to drop down in the draft, that would be OK. Personally, I'm content to stay where we are. The way the draft is looking now, there will likely be prospects in the 20 - 30 range who are on par with the guys in the 10 - 20 range. So, better to stand pat on take as many shots as we can in the crapshoot called the draft.
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#17 + #28 was good enough to move up to #12 last year.
#23 + #54 was good enough to move up to #21.
#35 + #39 was good enough to move up to #28.
I think its pretty even if you look at the draft movements last year. As well as this being a much stronger draft year.

17 + 28 -> 12
(31+61+ 2rd 2010) + 28 -> 13

However this was purely based on the fact the Isles ofcourse only makes this move if they believe the talent is worth it.

With tons of picks at last years draft it would be nice with top end talent.

It would be awesome if Cowan drop just enough for the Isles to end up with Him and Tavares.

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The Sabres traded the 13th pick and a 3rd round 2009 pick for the 12th pick. It just doesn't look like you could move up 10 spots in the first with a 3rd round pick.

For the guy with the minnesota deal how about

1st Round (SJ 28-30th)
2nd Round (NYI 31st)
2nd Round (TOR 33rd-35th)

for the 11th-14th pick
I think they would like to keep atleast one of the early 2nd round picks as there should be some really talented players left on the board.

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02-22-2009, 07:32 PM
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They ain't done trading yet. I expect more picks in the draft still (maybe conditionally, like moving up in the draft(they can actually do it twice) or their #1 for an Isle's pending UFA)
and
packaging both Guerin and Weight for a #1 and prospect...
It's definitely an interesting thought and yes, of course, many Isles fans would be absolutely ecstatic if that kind of deal could be made with a team like Columbus.

I just don't know how other GMs view things pertaining to Weight with him likely injured until mid-March.

Who knows though.... desperation can lead to a myriad of possibilities.

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I think Minnesota could be interested in a trad down on draft day. If they finish the season just outside of a playoff spot, say around the 13th pick.
Im pretty sure they are without a pick in the second and third round, and they are seriously lacking talented prospect. So here goes....

To Wild:
SJ '09 1rd pick + Isles '09 2rd and 3rd pick + Isles '10 2rd pick.
(pick no.28,31,61 in 2009 + an early 2rd pick in 2010).

To Isles:
MIN '09 1rd pick.
(pick no.13)
hell no 18 spots not worth 4 high picks

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02-22-2009, 08:05 PM
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A lot of speculation.

I dunno. With this draft, there doesn't seem to be such a discrepancy between picks roughly 20-40. Sure, 20 is likely better than say 28 for good reason, but it seems like any two of 31-40 are likely gonna be of more value than just #20.

Whatever the case, I just hope that the scouting staff only starts flipping picks if they are 100% sure of a kid they're eyeing - kind of like when Lou Lamy jumped up in a trade with Boston to pick up Parise back in the day.

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I think Minnesota could be interested in a trad down on draft day. If they finish the season just outside of a playoff spot, say around the 13th pick.
Im pretty sure they are without a pick in the second and third round, and they are seriously lacking talented prospect. So here goes....

To Wild:
SJ '09 1rd pick + Isles '09 2rd and 3rd pick + Isles '10 2rd pick.
(pick no.28,31,61 in 2009 + an early 2rd pick in 2010).

To Isles:
MIN '09 1rd pick.
(pick no.13)

If I'm Garth Snow, I pass on this. Too much to offer.

I'd definitely consider a Ricky Williams approach (stockpile draft picks), but only to get inside the top 10, maybe even top 5.

I'd have to think that the late 1st, 3 2nds, and 2 3rds could get us inside the top 10, if not, top 5. I would do that if there's a player that the Isles are hot for who is available.

Being able to walk away with 2 stud prospects would be absolutely huge to this organization. I get the sense that Snow is looking for something along these lines.

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It's definitely an interesting thought and yes, of course, many Isles fans would be absolutely ecstatic if that kind of deal could be made with a team like Columbus.

I just don't know how other GMs view things pertaining to Weight with him likely injured until mid-March.

Who knows though.... desperation can lead to a myriad of possibilities.
I think it's very well w/in the realm of possibility for the Isles to move Doug Weight for a conditional (1st / 2nd round pick).

ex. to Columbus: 1st rounder - if Columbus makes the playoffs and Weight plays X # of games; 2nd rounder otherwise.

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Kinda like the Parise deal in 03...

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I'd have to think that the late 1st, 3 2nds, and 2 3rds could get us inside the top 10, if not, top 5. I would do that if there's a player that the Isles are hot for who is available.
That wouldn't happen. 13 is about the highest you'd get with that offer.

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Islanders fans would you trade the 5th overall pick for

28th
31st
34th
57th
61st
+Another 3rd Round Pick

Last year how did you feel when you traded the 5th overall pick for the following picks?

9th
40th
68th
+2nd Round Pick (2009)

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i wonder if a team like florida would do:

FLA 1st round pick (~20)
FLA 2nd round pick (~51)

for

SJ 1st round pick (~28)
Bill Guerin/Doug Weight

at the deadline. Isles get to upgrade the pick they have and pick up another 2nd in exchange for the rental. For the team renting the UFA, it hurts less because they still get to have a 1st round pick.

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I think its pretty even if you look at the draft movements last year. As well as this being a much stronger draft year.
I don't see how this year could be considered stronger than last years??? As good, perhaps. Top 7 this year vs last I'd give the edge to 09, but look at how many 1st rders are already contributing in the NHL from 08. 09 draftees will have a tough time reproducing that.

That said, from an Oilers perspective (if they make the playoffs), depending who they have targeted and who's still on the board, I wouldn't mind seeing...

Oil's 1st rd (say 16)
Oil's 3rd rd (say 76)
PHI 3rd rd (say 80)

for

SJ 1st rd (say 26-30)
NYI 2nd rd (say 31)
TOR 2nd rd (say 35)
BOS 2nd rd (say 56-60)

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I don't see how this year could be considered stronger than last years??? As good, perhaps. Top 7 this year vs last I'd give the edge to 09, but look at how many 1st rders are already contributing in the NHL from 08. 09 draftees will have a tough time reproducing that.

That said, from an Oilers perspective (if they make the playoffs), depending who they have targeted and who's still on the board, I wouldn't mind seeing...

Oil's 1st rd (say 16)
Oil's 3rd rd (say 76)
PHI 3rd rd (say 80)

for

SJ 1st rd (say 26-30)
NYI 2nd rd (say 31)
TOR 2nd rd (say 35)
BOS 2nd rd (say 56-60)
to move up a possible 10 spots thats a terrible offer.

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To Vancouver

Sharks 1st rounder.
Islanders 2nd ronder.

To Long Island.

MIchael Grabner.
Patrick White.

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to move up a possible 10 spots thats a terrible offer.

It's pretty ridiculous.

I wouldn't be shocked to see the Isles package San Jose's pick and either their 2nd rounder or Toronto's 2nd rounder. But, personally, I'd rather not. Draft is a crap shot. Might as well use as many bullets as you got.

We go for the fences by drafting Hedmen or Taveres, and then we use the rest of our picks to build patiently.

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To Vancouver

Sharks 1st rounder.
Islanders 2nd ronder.

To Long Island.

MIchael Grabner.
Patrick White.
I'd counter by offering you Boston's 2nd rounder for Patrick White.

Keep Grabner.

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i wonder if a team like florida would do:

FLA 1st round pick (~20)
FLA 2nd round pick (~51)

for

SJ 1st round pick (~28)
Bill Guerin/Doug Weight

at the deadline. Isles get to upgrade the pick they have and pick up another 2nd in exchange for the rental. For the team renting the UFA, it hurts less because they still get to have a 1st round pick.
This is an interesting scenario, but only if you mean ONE of Guerin or Weight.

Something like that has some legitimacy, but I think Snow is getting a lot of calls and offers, so I believe he'd look for something else and put such a deal on the table until he had analyzed all his options.

If the deal with Ottawa is any indication, Snow is likely to make some more "shrewd" moves.

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I don't see how this year could be considered stronger than last years??? As good, perhaps. Top 7 this year vs last I'd give the edge to 09, but look at how many 1st rders are already contributing in the NHL from 08. 09 draftees will have a tough time reproducing that.
Whether it's just hype or whatever, I've gotten the impression from a number of places (bloggers, Kyle Woodlief, local writers) that this draft is considered better than last years, with two franchise players, 8-12 additional blue-chippers, and then another 40 or so guys who are pegged as having very good possibiliites. Have read the terms "60-90 players deep" on a number of occasions, albeit some might just be fans.

I'm just mentioning this because if this is possible, then the suggested deal:
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Oil's 1st rd (say 16)
Oil's 3rd rd (say 76)
PHI 3rd rd (say 80)

for

SJ 1st rd (say 26-30)
NYI 2nd rd (say 31)
TOR 2nd rd (say 35)
BOS 2nd rd (say 56-60)
Would likely be a wee bit more weighted in Edmonton's favor. True, the player taken at spot 16 would surely be the most highly touted (Després, Ferraro, Moore, Kassian, etc.). On the other hand, seeing names like Shore, Morin, De Haan, Erixon, Roy, O'Reilly, Rajala, Tatar, Panik, etc. hanging around spots 25-40. I think Jankowski and co. would be so happy with the homerun coming with pick 1/2, that they'd likely take a chance on four of the guys left between 26-60.

Dunno, maybe the Isles WILL be trying to move up and if so, it's gonna cost em.

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I would trade Isles those picks for nothing. You guys are already getting Tavares.

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Islanders fans would you trade the 5th overall pick for

28th
31st
34th
57th
61st
+Another 3rd Round Pick

Last year how did you feel when you traded the 5th overall pick for the following picks?

9th
40th
68th
+2nd Round Pick (2009)
Very fair question and very fair comparison. I still think a GM, upset about missing on a player and who is seeking to use this draft to rebuild the farmsystem (much like Snow approach last year's draft) would make a move at or around #10 in exchange for a mixture of the Isles late 1st round - 3 2nd round - 2 3rd round picks.

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