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02-22-2009, 09:30 PM
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His next move should be to trade Kovalev for picks/prospects to free up cap space.

Then trade pretty must whatever it takes for Lecavalier.

There is no way that the Canadiens will ever drop far enough in the standings to get a player like him. With our scouting, we can certainly get the pieces to surround him with though so pull the trigger! Chances like this one don't come around very often so if there are any possibilities to get him, do it and do it now!
The chances of either of those things happening is the exact same, slim to none.
Kovalev won't be moved, he is going to play a big role in this team making a run at the cup, and the lightning have already said Lecalvier isn't going anywhere. Everyone sees this guy as a savior ho will automatically bring a cup with him. Sure he's an amazing player but 10 mil a season is alot to devote to one player.

A much more likely tradi would be O. Jokinen ending up in a HABS uni.

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02-22-2009, 09:35 PM
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The chances of either of those things happening is the exact same, slim to none.
Kovalev won't be moved, he is going to play a big role in this team making a run at the cup, and the lightning have already said Lecalvier isn't going anywhere. Everyone sees this guy as a savior ho will automatically bring a cup with him. Sure he's an amazing player but 10 mil a season is alot to devote to one player.

A much more likely tradi would be O. Jokinen ending up in a HABS uni.
yes 10 mill a season is alot i guess its a good thing hes NOT GETTING PAID THAT

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Make sure he's comfortable with Kovalev as the driving force of our first line to get us to the playoffs and beyond (because that's the only role he's been in all season long, I expect that's the role he'll have if we don't make changes up front).

If not, Gainey needs to find the courage to trade him (addition by substraction), or keep Kovalev but find someone else to fill that first line role.

I also think we need a big, strong and responsible defensive D.

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Garrioch: Habs may be after Smyth

6 mil for 3 more years of this guy? He would fit in well but at that price, thanks but no thanks!

smyth would be awesome. He's got 20G, 49Pts - more than any Hab. Grit is there and decent playoff perfomer. The only problem is that we would have to shed salary to get him. And don't know who to shed, unless we are gonna send potential UFA's back - Tanguay along with some picks. Apparently Avs want to shed salary and Tanguay's would be gone after this year.

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smyth would be awesome. He's got 20G, 49Pts - more than any Hab. Grit is there and decent playoff perfomer. The only problem is that we would have to shed salary to get him. And don't know who to shed, unless we are gonna send potential UFA's back - Tanguay along with some picks. Apparently Avs want to shed salary and Tanguay's would be gone after this year.
so would kovalev

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Get Lecavalier...then get rid of Koivu. Give the 'C' to Lecavalier.

Montreal will never, never win the Stanley Cup with Saku Koivu captain. Mark my words.

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Get Lecavalier...then get rid of Koivu. Give the 'C' to Lecavalier.

Montreal will never, never win the Stanley Cup with Saku Koivu captain. Mark my words.
care to back it up with facts instead of Xenophobism?

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to obtain a power forward to replace lang on rw, erik cole comes to mind

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1) get rid of Kovy

2) sign Tanguay, Kiovu and Komi

2)get Horton in Montreal: something like Plekanec, D'agostini, 1st in 2010, and 4 th in 2010
**** NATHAN HORTON!!!!

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to obtain a power forward to replace lang on rw, erik cole comes to mind
Lang was center......

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**** NATHAN HORTON!!!!
No, another Tim's.

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patience?

Gainey should have patience maybe? It is what he is best at.

Trading for a big free agent would make sense if the team were really close to the cup, but the team is struggling for the playoffs.

Gainey should:
-Resign everyone he can, or at least find out who he can re-sign
-Trade the guys he knows he cannot resign (does not matter who, maybe nobody depending on Tanguay, Kovalev, Lang (out for season, not tradeable))
-try to get some picks and/or forward prospects
-look for playoff performers, including non-scorers
-Wait. Goalies improve with age (well, most goalies); Subban, McDonagh and Weber may be stars in two years. Most of the other players on the team will/may still be around and improving with age.

Koivu will probably re-sign, Kovalev was ready to until the last few weeks, and seems happier, so he is possible, Tanguay and Lang would be expected to take pay cuts, but not huge ones, Kostopoulos and Begin would probably come back, who knows about Komisarek. Most of the other guys are not critical.

Seems to me Gainey has a few players to talk to, and possibly to deal. As usual I guess he will be ready if someone wants to overpay, but it is unlikely.


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Resign = quit
Re-sign = sign another deal

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I've mentioned this 3-4 time and everybody keeps ignoring me, lol, but I'll keep insisting that we should get Jordan Leopold. His salary is really affordable for a guy who was playing 25-26 mins a game a couple seasons ago in Calgary and he wouldn't cost us much.

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yes 10 mill a season is alot i guess its a good thing hes NOT GETTING PAID THAT
oh ok..guess your right...

heres the breakdown of his contract

•$10-million per season in salary and bonuses for the first six seasons
•$8.5-million in 2016-2017
•$4-million in 2017-2018
•$1.5-million in 2018-2019
•$1-million in 2019-2020

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heck im surprised i looked in this thread 3 times before thinking of it
It goes to show how much digging to come up with that kind of crap!

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Get Lecavalier...then get rid of Koivu. Give the 'C' to Lecavalier.

Montreal will never, never win the Stanley Cup with Saku Koivu captain. Mark my words.
I'd rather trade a heartless Kovalev than a dedicated player like Koivu.

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oh ok..guess your right...

heres the breakdown of his contract

•$10-million per season in salary and bonuses for the first six seasons
•$8.5-million in 2016-2017
•$4-million in 2017-2018
•$1.5-million in 2018-2019
•$1-million in 2019-2020
His new cap hit is $7.7M, not $10M. When you think of it, it's less than Brad Richards!

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02-23-2009, 04:06 AM
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Gainey should:
-Resign everyone he can, or at least find out who he can resign
-Trade the guys he knows he cannot resign (does not matter who, maybe nobody depending on Tanguay, Kovalev, Lang (out for season, not tradeable))
-try to get some picks and/or forward prospects
-look for playoff performers, including non-scorers
-Wait. Goalies improve with age (well, most goalies); Subban, McDonagh and Weber may be stars in two years. Most of the other players on the team will/may still be around and improving with age.
It may not be Gainey's preferred approach, but it just may work.

The proble with the trade route, as some have pointed out, is that when the team in not playing well, and no one has great stats, it is hard to get much for the player you trade.

HOWEVER.........this may be the ideal time to re-sign players to deals that don't break the bank. In other words, when the value is high, you can trade guy, but when his value is low, you could SIGN him for less!

Right now, I would guess that all of the following players could be signed for less than they would have signed for 3 months ago:

Kovalev
Komisarek
Koivu
Tanguay
Lang
Plekanec (RFA)
Higgins (RFA)

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Another puck moving Dman its the key to our success. Also trade Halak with someone else and obtain a decent goalie who can truly pressure Price for #1. I feel at this point it
may be the only way to break him as with everything on his shoulders is showing to be way to much pressure.

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Get Lecavalier...then get rid of Koivu. Give the 'C' to Lecavalier.

Montreal will never, never win the Stanley Cup with Saku Koivu captain. Mark my words.
easy to say that now, heres another one Sens will never win cup with Alfie why cause they have no goaltending, flames with iginla why cause kiprussof cant handle pressure, philly even with richards will never win, why because they have no goaltending. i could go on all day about what teams wont win the cup and it wont be cause of their captain.

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I would try to acquire both Brendan Witt and Chris Neil.They're made for the playoff and i don't think it would cost a lot.

Tanguay - Koivu - Higgins
A.Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Kovalev
Pacioretty - Lapierre - Latendresse
Neil - Begin - Kostopoulos

Ex: D'Agostini - S.Kostitsyn - Laraque - Chipchura

Markov - Schneider
Hamrlik - Komisarek
Witt - Gorges

Ex: Brisebois - Bouillon

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His next move should be to trade Kovalev for picks/prospects to free up cap space.

Then trade pretty must whatever it takes for Lecavalier.

There is no way that the Canadiens will ever drop far enough in the standings to get a player like him. With our scouting, we can certainly get the pieces to surround him with though so pull the trigger! Chances like this one don't come around very often so if there are any possibilities to get him, do it and do it now!
agreed, if this is true, guys like vinnie come around only so long.

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care to back it up with facts instead of Xenophobism?
OK. Let's change the name to Serge Corriveau.

Results are the same. We would want him out too.

Stop using words like Xenophobia... Fans are judging the player's performance.


Unfortunately, Saku, for the reasons we all know, is not the player he used to be.l

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His next move should be to trade Kovalev for picks/prospects to free up cap space.

Then trade pretty must whatever it takes for Lecavalier.

There is no way that the Canadiens will ever drop far enough in the standings to get a player like him. With our scouting, we can certainly get the pieces to surround him with though so pull the trigger! Chances like this one don't come around very often so if there are any possibilities to get him, do it and do it now!
We don't need Vinnie, Horton or Jokinen (well yes we do but), but giving half your team and future just to pretty much have the same results is not bright. Our team needs defense, getting Schneider was a first step towards the right direction. We have young unexperienced goalies, we need to protect them with a better defense. Also our transition game is not that great, better now with Schneider though. We also have many talented forwards, they need to have the puck to be succesfull and not chase it on the glass or running after icings.

Schneider was a first step towards the right direction and we all see the benefits of it. PP is back, tape to tape passes and some needed pressure off Markov. I know it would be fun to have that big center but this team has greater needs on defense. Thats why i really hope we can land another vet D at the deadline. If a Adam foote, Beauchemin (whos injured right now), Jay Mckee, Barret Jackman-type is available, BG should jump on it.

Imagine our group of forwards with Tanguay, Kovalev (who will probably not be traded) and lats back with this type of defense, this team could make a serious run this year.

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I would try to acquire both Brendan Witt and Chris Neil.They're made for the playoff and i don't think it would cost a lot.

Tanguay - Koivu - Higgins
A.Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Kovalev
Pacioretty - Lapierre - Latendresse
Neil - Begin - Kostopoulos

Ex: D'Agostini - S.Kostitsyn - Laraque - Chipchura

Markov - Schneider
Hamrlik - Komisarek
Witt - Gorges

Ex: Brisebois - Bouillon

OMG we are dead down the middle.....

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