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02-23-2009, 12:01 PM
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Is it acceptable for Pro athletes to party?

Straight forward question. I know that most of this board has a "what's the big deal" attitude about this, but the simple physical facts would tell you that a player who is running his body down 3 or 4 nights a week with drugs and alchohol CAN NOT perform to the same standard they would if they were living a healthier lifestyle.

I remember reading the Roy Keane (Man United) autobiography several years ago and he talked about how in the old days (early 80s and prior) players would be out on the town constantly, but the new multi-million dollar athletes of modern sport are held to a higher standard and this behavior is no longer typical of professional sports.

In such a competitive environment where every edge you can get makes a difference and these kids are receiving millions of dollars to uphold a certain level of play, should we not be upset that they are taking actions that harm their performance?

Hey, I know we all like to party, but if someone came to you and said, here is a million bucks, you can play pro hockey, but you better keep partying down to a few nights a year... would you feel that hard done by?

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this will not end well

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Yes it is normal.

They are human.

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Yes is my answer to your question

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No. They shouldn't have lives.

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I accept that unless it affect the performance on the ice... and it is the case for the Habs.

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Absolutely. But its partying all night before a game I have a problem with.

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lock em up in cages between games and practices

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Partying ruins your ability to perform at a high level. Guy Lafleur and Babe Ruth are two prime examples of careers that flopped due to excessive partying.

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Yes it is normal.

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Absolutely. But its partying all night before a game I have a problem with.

Pretty much sums it up...

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Straight forward question. I know that most of this board has a "what's the big deal" attitude about this, but the simple physical facts would tell you that a player who is running his body down 3 or 4 nights a week with drugs and alchohol CAN NOT perform to the same standard they would if they were living a healthier lifestyle.
Is it acceptable to who exactly?

I'm guessing Lou Lamoriello wouldn't accept this behaviour, and if you don't like it you can play elsewhere.

Anyway, as a fan I don't care about whether guys party or not.

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I think it must certainly affect the ability a person has to perform at his highest level. I know when I spend a night on the booze, getting five or six hours' sleep, I'm tired, slow and a little bit sick the next day. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be playing my best hockey on a day when I'm hungover. I think we as fans can't expect the players to be held to a higher standard than we hold ourselves. But, George Gillett can. He's the guy who's paying for their best play...and the guy who should be highly put out if they're using his money to pay for stuff that would harm their ability to give the boss what he wants.

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It should be the same standards for any job. In your off time you should be able to do anything you want (within the law) as long as it does not adversely affect your performance or pose such a risk (eg. some players have it in their contracts that they cannot do dangerous activities like mountain climbing or what have you).

Given that's it's very hard to gauge whether partying affects a player's performance, there is very little grounds to say they cannot.

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Yes they can party but not the night before games. Give them a curfew and scratch them if they come in one minute late.

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Straight forward question. I know that most of this board has a "what's the big deal" attitude about this, but the simple physical facts would tell you that a player who is running his body down 3 or 4 nights a week with drugs and alchohol CAN NOT perform to the same standard they would if they were living a healthier lifestyle.

I remember reading the Roy Keane (Man United) autobiography several years ago and he talked about how in the old days (early 80s and prior) players would be out on the town constantly, but the new multi-million dollar athletes of modern sport are held to a higher standard and this behavior is no longer typical of professional sports.

In such a competitive environment where every edge you can get makes a difference and these kids are receiving millions of dollars to uphold a certain level of play, should we not be upset that they are taking actions that harm their performance?

Hey, I know we all like to party, but if someone came to you and said, here is a million bucks, you can play pro hockey, but you better keep partying down to a few nights a year... would you feel that hard done by?
yeah its the real world . There HUMAN and sooner more realize this the better,

there TEMPTED into things just the same as most other humans are. There drawn into addiction like many other Humans.

Being drafted as a professional athlete doesn't protect you from all the temptations of the world it probably draws you into more(fast cars , fast women, money, its all there )

So one can only hope the partying etc is keep with in reason, but hey ive seen time and time again the most quite people in life become the most crazy ones at parties .


Its the nature of the beast(and we shouldnt excuse it)that we all fight against daily .


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Define "party"?

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Build a jail beside the stadium and during the season the inmates(players) are not allowed out. I remember stories about the soviet red army team, they were not allowed to live with their families during the season maybe thats what we should do.

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I am surprised that everyone just brushes it off: "of course, they should have lives"...

Great, let them have lives, they can do whatever they want as long as they don't harm their bodies and performance. Just like we all flipped out when Brisebois went skiing - remember that?

For me, if I was in management, I would consider their bodies (enjoy this fellas)... my property (hehe). In other words, I am giving you a million dollars to squeeze every bit of talent and ability out of you. If you diminish your capacity by 20 or 30% that is like a loss on my investment.

PS: Just to cause some fights here: If you think that drugs and alchohol don't harm performance, you are either dillusional or have never played sports at a high level.

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They can party all they want as long as it doesn't interfere with their jobs. Same goes for anybody no matter what their profession..

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I think ultimately it's up to a player's team. I think if a club is investing millions of dollars into a player, it's well within the team's rights to dictate , within reason, what a player can or cannot do. And I think partying falls under that.

If the team doesn't care, then they can do what they want I suppose.

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Yes, as long as they aren't doing it the night before a game, using drugs, or getting in fights.

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I am surprised that everyone just brushes it off: "of course, they should have lives"...

Great, let them have lives, they can do whatever they want as long as they don't harm their bodies and performance. Just like we all flipped out when Brisebois went skiing - remember that?

For me, if I was in management, I would consider their bodies (enjoy this fellas)... my property (hehe). In other words, I am giving you a million dollars to squeeze every bit of talent and ability out of you. If you diminish your capacity by 20 or 30% that is like a loss on my investment.

PS: Just to cause some fights here: If you think that drugs and alchohol don't harm performance, you are either dillusional or have never played sports at a high level.
Why are you surprised? We don't own the Montreal Canadiens.

If it affected our own bottom line then maybe you'd see some people change their tune.

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I am surprised that everyone just brushes it off: "of course, they should have lives"...

Great, let them have lives, they can do whatever they want as long as they don't harm their bodies and performance. Just like we all flipped out when Brisebois went skiing - remember that?

For me, if I was in management, I would consider their bodies (enjoy this fellas)... my property (hehe). In other words, I am giving you a million dollars to squeeze every bit of talent and ability out of you. If you diminish your capacity by 20 or 30% that is like a loss on my investment.

PS: Just to cause some fights here: If you think that drugs and alchohol don't harm performance, you are either dillusional or have never played sports at a high level.
Too many fans get defensive about their idols to the point where all common sense, good judgment and objective thought goes out the window. It's a love is blind deaf and dumb situation.

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I think ultimately it's up to a player's team. I think if a club is investing millions of dollars into a player, it's well within the team's rights to dictate , within reason, what a player can or cannot do. And I think partying falls under that.

If the team doesn't care, then they can do what they want I suppose.
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