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02-22-2009, 02:26 PM
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I think the team toughness increases when he is out of the lineup. It appears everyone on the team is expecting him to defend them and frankly, thats not what he wants to do really.

Its interesting seeing Gorges, Bouillon, and hell even Brisebois fight and BGL doing absolutely nothing.

Its like the team bands together more when the unlikely fighter or aggressor steps up.

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02-22-2009, 02:29 PM
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how many hits does he average a game?
He has 36hits in 25GP. Considering he plays 7min, it's not that bad at all.

And FYI, Hit leaders in the league are usually not Heavyweight enforcers.

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02-22-2009, 02:34 PM
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how many hits does he average a game?
1.4 which is 0.2 more than last year and 0.4 more than the year before.

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02-22-2009, 02:40 PM
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He has 36hits in 25GP. Considering he plays 7min, it's not that bad at all.

And FYI, Hit leaders in the league are usually not Heavyweight enforcers.
Did he hurt anyone - even slightly - with any of those 36 hits ?

The Habs lost many players because of legal hits. can he use his wonderful weight and his marvelous shoulders to do some damage ?

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02-22-2009, 02:45 PM
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Did he hurt anyone - even slightly - with any of those 36 hits ?

The Habs lost many players because of legal hits. can he use his wonderful weight and his marvelous shoulders to do some damage ?
Why expect out of Laraque something that he's never been?

You guys had no idea the type of game he plays as you all seem to expect something that he's not.
It's like asking Hamrlik to all of a sudden become a hit machine, he's not that kind of player.

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02-22-2009, 02:47 PM
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Why expect out of Laraque something that he's never been?

You guys had no idea the type of game he plays as you all seem to expect something that he's not.
It's like asking Hamrlik to all of a sudden become a hit machine, he's not that kind of player.
Bottom line = useless !

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02-22-2009, 02:48 PM
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Did he hurt anyone - even slightly - with any of those 36 hits ?

The Habs lost many players because of legal hits. can he use his wonderful weight and his marvelous shoulders to do some damage ?
Were any of our players injured by heavyweights enforcers?

Artyukhin is the only one you could consider a heavyweight, but he's not an enforcer.
Your point is moot.


Donald Brashear that everyone likes and respects (from what I gather)..only has 2 more fights than Laraque this year, while having played 30 more games and average 1min more of ice time per game.
And he has a lot more young stars to protect than Laraque does over here.
So..does this mean Brashear isn't doing his job right?..No.

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Bottom line = useless !
Then why do teams all want to have a heavyweight on their team?

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Then why do teams all want to have a heavyweight on their team?
They are just "side shows". They fight each other. That's it.

This is the type of players that have to be eliminated of modern hockey.

I am not against a fight in the heat of the action - like Gorges or Dandenault yesterday, or Brisebois, the other day, but these heavyweights with their "Code", are totally useless on a NHL ice.

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02-22-2009, 02:55 PM
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They are just "side shows". They fight each other. That's it.

This is the type of players that have to be eliminated of modern hockey.

I am not against a fight in the heat of the action - like Gorges or Dandenault yesterday, or Brisebois, the other day, but these heavyweights with their "Code", are totally useless on a NHL ice.
As long as teams have some, they won't be useless.

Do you want to see the enforcer of another team play vs us and do wtv he wants because there's nobody that'll fight him?..

I think we all agree when we say we'd rather have a player like Lucic, that can skate, hit, fight and even score. But that's not the issue, and Lucic won't fight vs any heavyweight, that's been proven.

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02-22-2009, 02:57 PM
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Were any of our players injured by heavyweights enforcers?

Artyukhin is the only one you could consider a heavyweight, but he's not an enforcer.
Your point is moot.


Donald Brashear that everyone likes and respects (from what I gather)..only has 2 more fights than Laraque this year, while having played 30 more games and average 1min more of ice time per game.
And he has a lot more young stars to protect than Laraque does over here.
So..does this mean Brashear isn't doing his job right?..No.
Wahington have a very physical team. Lots of guys over 6'2 and 200 pounds. they can take care of themselves + they have a killer PP to make pay the price. Brashear is doing a fine job and he is also pretty good defensively and a better skater than BGL.

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02-22-2009, 03:17 PM
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Brashear is doing a fine job and he is also pretty good defensively and a better skater than BGL.
How many Washington games have you seen?
Brashear doesn't hit more than Laraque, he is just as bad in his zone. Skates a bit faster but barely.

All the heavyweights serve a purpose even though it's not a big one.
They are there to keep guys like Neil and Ruutu type of players honest.

Now, if you want to argue about the price we're paying for such services, that's something else but to say that Laraque is not as effective as the other heavyweights in the league is unfounded.

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02-22-2009, 03:25 PM
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How many Washington games have you seen?
Brashear doesn't hit more than Laraque, he is just as bad in his zone. Skates a bit faster but barely.

All the heavyweights serve a purpose even though it's not a big one.
They are there to keep guys like Neil and Ruutu type of players honest.

Now, if you want to argue about the price we're paying for such services, that's something else but to say that Laraque is not as effective as the other heavyweights in the league is unfounded.
I can answer how many you've seen... 0.

Brashear is a better hitter than Laraque, and hits more often. To say he's only barely faster just proves that you haven't watched Donald very often. As far as hockey ability goes, Brashear is better and contributes more to his team than Laraque does here.

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02-22-2009, 03:41 PM
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I can answer how many you've seen... 0.

Brashear is a better hitter than Laraque, and hits more often. To say he's only barely faster just proves that you haven't watched Donald very often. As far as hockey ability goes, Brashear is better and contributes more to his team than Laraque does here.
I've actually watched about 20 Washington games this year.

Brashear has a huge 0.4 more hits per game than Laraque which to me is not exactly meaningful.
BGL could have one big game and be at the same average in no time.

Yes, his skating is better but it's still sub par by NHL standards and it doesn't allow him to do much more than the other big goons in this league.

As far as production goes, both players have averaged 0.2 points per game over their respective careers so no, Brashear doesn't contribute much more to his team.
He does just as much (or little) as Laraque while being paid about the same too.

Those guys are all one dimensional so as long as you don't expect more than what they can actually give, you won't be disappointed.

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What's your point?

He's not a difference maker and it goes both ways... Unfortunately for him, he returned from injury right before the slump and it's certainly not his fault we're slumping... That's called a sophism my friend, look it up on google.
1. a specious argument for displaying ingenuity in reasoning or for deceiving someone.
2. any false argument; fallacy.

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I don't really care how Laraque's value measures versus Brashear and Roy. I care about how Laraque's value measures against Stewart, Chipchura, or Dandenault and I think we're a much better team with the latter three players dressed on our 4th line than we are with BGL.

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I don't really care how Laraque's value measures versus Brashear and Roy. I care about how Laraque's value measures against Stewart, Chipchura, or Dandenault and I think we're a much better team with the latter three players dressed on our 4th line than we are with BGL.
Did the 4th line really have that much of an impact in yesterday's game?

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I don't really get the point of him since he sticks to a code and has yet to make anyone pay for a cheap shot. His fights are staged with other goons who have no business in the NHL. Really disappointed in him.

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Did the 4th line really have that much of an impact in yesterday's game?
Yes. Not only did they have several big shifts where they kept the puck out of our zone but they also scored a HUGE goal with 18 seconds left in the 2nd period to give us a 5-2 lead. This came after the Sens took over momentum but quickly reducing a 4-0 Habs lead to 4-2 and having numerous close calls that could have made it 4-3.

As I said, HUGE goal for a fragile Habs squad that needed a win. I doubt we score that goal with BGL in lineup.

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Yes. Not only did they have several big shifts where they kept the puck out of our zone but they also scored a HUGE goal with 18 seconds left in the 2nd period to give us a 5-2 lead. This came after the Sens took over momentum but quickly reducing a 4-0 Habs lead to 4-2 and having numerous close calls that could have made it 4-3.

As I said, HUGE goal for a fragile Habs squad that needed a win. I doubt we score that goal with BGL in lineup.
Hard to say as BGL often keeps the puck out of our zone but I'll admit that if we're looking to play a speed game, then he's not the best guy to have there.

Still, he's here for the playoffs and I'm sure we'll be happy to have him around when people start roughing us up.

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Those guys are all one dimensional so as long as you don't expect more than what they can actually give, you won't be disappointed.

I think that was a great post...

I'd bet if you asked Sidney Crosby yesterday he may have wanted BGL back for a game.

BGL presence changes the dynamic of the hockey game. His acquisition, IMO, was meant to protect our franchise goalie (?). Last year in the playoffs our opposition's MO was traffic in front of the net. BGL is our response.

Sometimes like Joni Mitchell knows, and Crosby may have found out yesterday, you don't know what you got till it's gone.

Also, I think BGL has responded to most questionable occurences on the ice this year.

Thornton who fought Begin in Halifax - Laraque responded first opportunity
May who fought Bouillon in TO - Laraque responded right away

Other than that, We haven’t had too much trouble.

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What a waist of time this guy! he is one of BG's rare mistakes.

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02-23-2009, 02:58 PM
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They are just "side shows". They fight each other. That's it... but these heavyweights with their "Code", are totally useless on a NHL ice.
Agree 100% I don't find those "staged" fights interesting... and I LIKE fights. It's been a long, long time since one of those WWF fights was a momentum changer. On the other hand, I can imagine how Tony Twist's fights would wake everyone up.

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