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02-23-2009, 03:30 PM
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Tortorella may result in a short-term surge, but he's still stuck with the same low-mobility D and good-but-overpaid forward corps. The Rangers' biggest problem was not coaching, IMO...

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02-23-2009, 03:38 PM
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Tortorella may result in a short-term surge, but he's still stuck with the same low-mobility D and good-but-overpaid forward corps. The Rangers' biggest problem was not coaching, IMO...
Torts is an excellent coach and i do believe the Rangers have the personnel to play his agressive style. BTW Redden, Rozival, Girardi, Kalinin, Staal arent low-mobility D-men. This team will flourish under Tortorella.

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02-23-2009, 04:04 PM
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Tortorella + New York = Priceless
(Where's the popcorn smilies?)

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It'll be good for a month or so until they turn on him.
A month should be enough to help the Rangers make the playoffs.

Buffalo could really struggle with Miller gone for a while. Beware of the ****ing Canes, though.

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02-23-2009, 04:16 PM
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Too bad,I liked him on TSN

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02-23-2009, 04:23 PM
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Thanks for your expertise, care to show me to your proof of that random assertion?

And if you don't think Kovy is a star, feel free to look at last season. He clearly is, whether or not you like him or he's been playing like it lately, the guy is a star player. It's one thing to have a hate on for a guy, it's another to deny reality.
As a Montreal Canadien, Alex Kovalev is a .82 PPG player. That isn't a star player to me. I don't think Saku Koivu is a star either. I think a star puts up consistently a PPG pace. Then you get into Superstars like Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin.

He has had 1 big year, 1 brutal year, and 1 good year, and this year, well we will say average.

Its one thing to love the guy, however its another to fail to see reality in perspective to the entire NHL. He may be a "star" in Montreal but thats because we haven't seen a legit scoring star since Mark Recchi was in his prime.

Kovalev has star talent and simply a good player's not a stars production.


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There goes Lundqvist's career...

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As a Montreal Canadien, Alex Kovalev is a .82 PPG player. That isn't a star player to me. I don't think Saku Koivu is a star either. I think a star puts up consistently a PPG pace. Then you get into Superstars like Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin.

He has had 1 big year, 1 brutal year, and 1 good year, and this year, well we will say average.

Its one thing to love the guy, however its another to fail to see reality in perspective to the entire NHL. He may be a "star" in Montreal but thats because we haven't seen a legit scoring star since Mark Recchi was in his prime.

Kovalev has star talent and simply a good player's not a stars production.
Agreed. Stars are at least PPG players.

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02-23-2009, 04:57 PM
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Agreed. Stars are at least PPG players.
Star forwards are PPG players.

Markov is clearly a star D-man, but he won't hit PPG.

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02-23-2009, 05:25 PM
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Watch Torts make a deal for Vinny now, stealing him away from the Habs............ and Gainey will settle for Gomez............ LOL

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02-23-2009, 05:53 PM
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02-23-2009, 06:04 PM
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Tortorella is the perfect fit for NY IMO.

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02-23-2009, 06:38 PM
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I would have liked Tortorella in Montreal for one thing before everything else... Tortorella vs the Montreal Medias... that would have been a treat to watch

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As a Montreal Canadien, Alex Kovalev is a .82 PPG player. That isn't a star player to me. I don't think Saku Koivu is a star either. I think a star puts up consistently a PPG pace. Then you get into Superstars like Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin.

He has had 1 big year, 1 brutal year, and 1 good year, and this year, well we will say average.

Its one thing to love the guy, however its another to fail to see reality in perspective to the entire NHL. He may be a "star" in Montreal but thats because we haven't seen a legit scoring star since Mark Recchi was in his prime.

Kovalev has star talent and simply a good player's not a stars production.
That's the statistical version of a star. I look at it from a more strategic point of view.

Other teams match against Kovalev.

Teams build their PK against us to make sure he is not free.

He is treated like a star by the opposition and forces other teams to alter their game. That, to me, is what a star does.

I agree, he has not put up star numbers, but .84 PPG is not exactly bad. He's no Ovechkin, but he is definitely by far the closest thing we have on forward and has the talent to be your definition of a statistical star when properly motivated.

Put it this way... I'd rather have Kovalev than dump him and a bunch of depth to get someone who meets your definition. Losing Higgins, prospects and/or picks to upgrade by .16 PPG on the top line is a pretty high price to pay for a move that barely exceeds lateral.

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02-23-2009, 09:12 PM
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That's the statistical version of a star. I look at it from a more strategic point of view.

Other teams match against Kovalev.

Teams build their PK against us to make sure he is not free.

He is treated like a star by the opposition and forces other teams to alter their game. That, to me, is what a star does.

I agree, he has not put up star numbers, but .84 PPG is not exactly bad. He's no Ovechkin, but he is definitely by far the closest thing we have on forward and has the talent to be your definition of a statistical star when properly motivated.

Put it this way... I'd rather have Kovalev than dump him and a bunch of depth to get someone who meets your definition. Losing Higgins, prospects and/or picks to upgrade by .16 PPG on the top line is a pretty high price to pay for a move that barely exceeds lateral.
At some point there has to be a balance of star power and quality depth. There has to be a balance between quantity and quality. Right now, its even questionable about the quality of Montreal's quantity (its beginning to sound weird now).

Montreal's good players are not good enough versus other teams secondary players behind their stars.

Your strategic definition i don't agree with because what makes a star a star is their ability to play through the matchups and produce.

However, at this point, i will end my contribution on this point because kinda have derailed the thread.

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02-23-2009, 10:17 PM
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I would have liked Tortorella in Montreal for one thing before everything else... Tortorella vs the Montreal Medias... that would have been a treat to watch
indeed, it would've been something to see

I can only imagine him putting some of the fools like JC Lajoie in their place

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Good move for the Rangers. He'll do well there.

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02-24-2009, 02:04 AM
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Gomez, Zerdehv and Drury will be completly exausted at the end of the year.

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who cares...they are going nowhere.....

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who cares...they are going nowhere.....
I generally agree with you, except that Lunqvist is one of a handful of goalies that I think could probably win a cup on his own. The Rangers are good enough to win a Cup if Lunqvist reaches out and grabs it.

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Watch Torts make a deal for Vinny now, stealing him away from the Habs............ and Gainey will settle for Gomez............ LOL
That might have been somewhat clever if coaches made deals.

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I liked torts...on the tsn panel. Not anymore. booooooo

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