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02-24-2009, 11:51 AM
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I agree with pretty much everything Jester has said. Briere is way overhyped around here. You'd think he was Jesus Christ in the flesh if you went to the stadium and saw the sheer amount of Briere jerseys. I think that he is a valuable asset to most NHL teams, just not this one and is very expendable.

Crap boy you spill common sense..

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02-24-2009, 12:15 PM
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Yes, ignore all the stats that prove you wrong.

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02-24-2009, 01:09 PM
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2007-08 PHI 79 31 41 72 -22 68 14 23 0 1 3 0 182 .170
2008-09 PHI 9 5 4 9 -3 10 2 2 0 0 0 0 22 .227
-22 in 79 games and -3 in 9 games those are also stats you cant ignore.

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2007-08 PHI 79 31 41 72 -22 68 14 23 0 1 3 0 182 .170
2008-09 PHI 9 5 4 9 -3 10 2 2 0 0 0 0 22 .227
-22 in 79 games and -3 in 9 games those are also stats you cant ignore.
+/- is such an overrated stat.

Kimmo Timonen was a even last season and he was by FAR our best defenseman last season even with Coburn being a +17
I usually dot get to worried about +/- much.


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02-24-2009, 01:18 PM
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he also was a Minus 3 in playoff run last year, and your right it is overated stat if you are in Negatives all year.

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02-24-2009, 01:20 PM
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Kimmo Timonen was a even last season and he was by FAR our best defenseman last season even with Coburn being a +17
I usually dot get to worried about +/- much.

Thats because #1 defense is out shorthanded most of time

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he also was a Minus 3 in playoff run last year, and your right it is overated stat if you are in Negatives all year.
okay so here is a good question, since you seem to not be a fan of him sticking around.

name someone who is more proven in the playoffs?

we can sit here and discuss the regular season all day (which when he is healthy has played well, maybe not 6 mill) but we play to win the cup and Danny has the most points of any player over the last 3 seasons in the playoffs. He helps carry teams.

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02-24-2009, 01:22 PM
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Timmo was a plus 15 last year not to shabby considering he gets the tough tasks.

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02-24-2009, 01:27 PM
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Kimmo Timonen was a even last season and he was by FAR our best defenseman last season even with Coburn being a +17
I usually dot get to worried about +/- much.

Thats because #1 defense is out shorthanded most of time
right. and how many shorties did the Flyers allow last season?
Look I am not saying he is good defensively.
when hes is healthy is a clutch offensive player. that is what he gets paid to do.

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02-24-2009, 01:28 PM
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briere may have some weaknesses when it comes to +/- but his power play abilities are something that is really missing on this team right now. stop concentrating on his +/-. we have richards and carter to shut down the other teams offense. thats not briere's job. asking briere to be a defensive forward is like asking parent to score more goals. the flyers need briere for a playoff run and will be better for having him on the team.

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Timmo was a plus 15 last year not to shabby considering he gets the tough tasks.
Timonen was a even player last season.
Joe Corvo was a +17
Who would you rather have?

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02-24-2009, 01:36 PM
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two out of three years he had some good Playoff numbers against east coast teams, including philly. he is just not my type of player that this team should build with. This is bigger faster NHL. IMHO

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This thread is awesome sauce.

I can't believe were even debating the player that Briere is. He's a pretty gifted offensive talent, there is no denying it. So he's a little defensively challenged...big deal.

The only issue with Briere and the current makeup of the team (players and cap) is with the emergence of Richards and Carter...Briere (mainly his contract) has become (NTC aside) expendable.

Of course he makes the team better, anybody denying that needs to get their head examined.

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02-24-2009, 01:49 PM
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he is just not my type of player that this team should build with. This is bigger faster NHL. IMHO

I wouldn't say this is the bigger faster NHL, but rather the faster, more skilled NHL. And that is exactly the type of player Briere is.

I think the problem with Briere does not lie in Briere himself but rather in how the team tries to utilize him at even strength. His style of play doesn't match-up with our dump it into the corner and try to grind it out along the boards. What Stevens and the rest of the coaching staff should have done is looked thoroughly at Briere's last season in Buffalo, and try to match-up that style for whatever line Briere is on. If you are going to bring in a star player, you do have to adjust for their style of play that makes them the most successful.

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02-24-2009, 01:58 PM
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I wouldn't say this is the bigger faster NHL, but rather the faster, more skilled NHL. And that is exactly the type of player Briere is.

Huh ?? look at jersey, san jose,washington ,ect are you kidding the league is bigger and faster if your not exceptionally strong like Parise the Gionta & brieres are having problems

The flyers score goals we give up way to many shots and we are defensive liability prime reason why we dont need this guy.

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two out of three years he had some good Playoff numbers against east coast teams, including philly. he is just not my type of player that this team should build with. This is bigger faster NHL. IMHO
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so if he was 6 foot 2, 220 pounds and mashed everything in sight you would be ok with his defensive liabilities.

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Huh ?? look at jersey, san jose,washington ,ect are you kidding the league is bigger and faster if your not exceptionally strong like Parise the Gionta & brieres are having problems

The flyers score goals we give up way to many shots and we are defensive liability prime reason why we dont need this guy.
I would say Briere is actually very strong and he is good at working his way to the front of the night and fighting for the puck. He isn't afraid of taking abuse to get himself where he needs to be. He is never going to lay out other players with big hits or anything, but I wouldn't call him weak or anything.

Plus, the problem with giving up too many shots and the team being a defensive liability does not lie at Briere's feet. It is the coaching staffs inability to set up a viable defensive system. By no means is Briere a good defensive player (and I would love to see him work on his positioning as he tends to leave his man too open) but I think that if the team learned to play well defensively, Briere's lack of defense can be covered.

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This thread is awesome sauce.

I can't believe were even debating the player that Briere is. He's a pretty gifted offensive talent, there is no denying it. So he's a little defensively challenged...big deal.

The only issue with Briere and the current makeup of the team (players and cap) is with the emergence of Richards and Carter...Briere (mainly his contract) has become (NTC aside) expendable.

Of course he makes the team better, anybody denying that needs to get their head examined.
Thanks, I understand your argument even if I don't totally agree with it, but it's better than some of the others on here.

I comprehensively posted stats that we haven't gotten better defensively without Briere, nobody has been able to post a satisfactory rebuttal yet.

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02-24-2009, 02:54 PM
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For this +/- argument, what's the team record with him playing this season, out of curiosity? What's the GF and GA?

Also, like I've mentioned a lot, +/- = overrated.

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For this +/- argument, what's the team record with him playing this season, out of curiosity? What's the GF and GA?

Also, like I've mentioned a lot, +/- = overrated.
How much can you even consider his numbers for this year anyway? He played the first 6 games of the year in which everybody played like crap and we went 0-3-3. He had 7 points and was a -3. He was then out for 2.5 weeks and played 2 games (in which he was most likely still hurting. 2 goals and was even. Team went 1-1. Then out for 3 weeks and came back for 1 game. 0 points, even, won in OT. Also, his last 2 games he only played a combined 18 minutes. Basically it doesn't mean **** for this year. I believe overall though, including PP, he's in the + for GF/GA.

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How much can you even consider his numbers for this year anyway? He played the first 6 games of the year in which everybody played like crap and we went 0-3-3. He had 7 points and was a -3. He was then out for 2.5 weeks and played 2 games (in which he was most likely still hurting. 2 goals and was even. Team went 1-1. Then out for 3 weeks and came back for 1 game. 0 points, even, won in OT. Also, his last 2 games he only played a combined 18 minutes. Basically it doesn't mean **** for this year. I believe overall though, including PP, he's in the + for GF/GA.
I totally agree. I just couldn't remember which games he played. Definitely, none of those games really "count" for him in my opinion either, so I don't know how people could really judge him off of this year's performance.

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I totally agree. I just couldn't remember which games he played. Definitely, none of those games really "count" for him in my opinion either, so I don't know how people could really judge him off of this year's performance.
Obviously, if he didn't get injured after game 6 we would have been winless thus far.

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Thanks, I understand your argument even if I don't totally agree with it, but it's better than some of the others on here.
Hey, no problem. I obvious don't think I speak for the group...at least the ones on the 'get rid of Briere' boat...but that was definately my thinking. Bottom line, if were not in a cap era in the NHL, I'd have ZERO issue with Briere being on this team.

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I comprehensively posted stats that we haven't gotten better defensively without Briere, nobody has been able to post a satisfactory rebuttal yet.
I can't help ya there, that's not my arguement.

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Hey, no problem. I obvious don't think I speak for the group...at least the ones on the 'get rid of Briere' boat...but that was definately my thinking. Bottom line, if were not in a cap era in the NHL, I'd have ZERO issue with Briere being on this team.

Make sense?



I can't help ya there, that's not my arguement.
Haha sorry I am trying to agree with you.

What I'm saying is that I respect your salary cap argument in regard to Danny, even if I don't really agree with it.

The problem is the people who go on about how Danny hurts the team when that's simply not true.

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Haha sorry I am trying to agree with you.

What I'm saying is that I respect your salary cap argument in regard to Danny, even if I don't really agree with it.
Yeah, I understand, no problem.

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The problem is the people who go on about how Danny hurts the team when that's simply not true.
I'm sure Jester will be here shortly, lol.

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