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02-24-2009, 10:39 PM
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Just to play along,

Keith and Sopel (eat his salary)

for

Subban, Pacioretty, McDonagh, and 3 1st rounders.
As a Shark fan, I would have no problem doing Ehrhoff, Couture, Petrecki, McGinn, and 3 1st for Keith.

Keith instantly becomes our teams #1 d-man replacing our #3/4 in Ehrhoff (we pick up and extra 1.7 million in cap space) and we give up 6 assets that won't make an impact for the next 2-6 years. With that said Chicago wouldn't do it.

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02-24-2009, 11:51 PM
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IMO him and Brain Campbell should switch salaries.
My exact feelings.

Keith is our #1 dman by far. Campbell would be hesitant to chase a puck dumped by a forechecking peewee.

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02-25-2009, 01:05 AM
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Pyke - Keith is the Hawks best player. He plays 24+ minutes a night against the other teams best line, and leads the league in +/-. He's also 25 YO and signed through next year for $1.5M per year. His contract is by far and away the best in the league through next year.

And BTW - almost everyone pimping him in this thread are non-Hawks fans.
I get that, but it's still only *1* player.

He's not the best player to come along in generations either, as much as Hawk faithful might like him.

Remember when Federov was signed to an offer sheet by Detroit, it was 5 first round picks. It's never been done since (Vanek? aside). Why? Virtually nobody is worth that much talent.

No matter how good Keith might be, and no matter how good the one year he has left at $1.5M value wise; at the end of next season, he gets a big raise. No team would pay 4-5 elite players to get one, that's stupid.

Anyway, since it's clear that he won't be traded, it's a bit moot.

Btw: As an Avs fan myself, I wouldn't trade Statsny for him (to refute that concept), he's their franchise.

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02-25-2009, 02:45 AM
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As a Shark fan, I would have no problem doing Ehrhoff, Couture, Petrecki, McGinn, and 3 1st for Keith.

Keith instantly becomes our teams #1 d-man replacing our #3/4 in Ehrhoff (we pick up and extra 1.7 million in cap space) and we give up 6 assets that won't make an impact for the next 2-6 years. With that said Chicago wouldn't do it.
I don't know about that trade, that's like trading 5 first round picks (petrecki,Couture) and then a solid D-man in Ehrhoff, and I don't know much about mcginn but he's got wheels.

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02-25-2009, 08:02 AM
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reminds me of wade redden when he was 25.

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02-25-2009, 09:54 AM
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If I was Hawks GM and traded Keith (I never would) here is what Habs would have to give up

D Ryan McDonagh
LW Chris Higgins
C Tomas Plekanec
LW Max Pacioretty
G Carey Price
Mon 1st in 2010
excuse me? You damn well better thrown in my beloved Huet and some lube for that.


edit: I realise now i should have mentioned the lube was not for Huet and I.

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02-25-2009, 09:57 AM
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There's nothing the Habs have that would interest me in trading Keith for. Nothing...
Nothing? Subban? D'Agostini? Halak?

I can understand if you don't want to move him, but nothing is a pretty strong statement! I have to believe Plekanec, Subban and a 1st would get Keith if they wanted to get a deal done.

That said, I've seen Keith play, and he is very, very good. I can't imagine the Hawks trading him anytime soon.

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02-25-2009, 09:58 AM
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Nothing? Subban? D'Agostini? Halak?

I can understand if you don't want to move him, but nothing is a pretty strong statement! I have to believe Plekanec, Subban and a 1st would get Keith if they wanted to get a deal done.

That said, I've seen Keith play, and he is very, very good. I can't imagine the Hawks trading him anytime soon.
That wouldn't even get you a five minute phone call.

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02-25-2009, 09:59 AM
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That wouldn't even get you a five minute phone call.
Really? I gotta believe that would get discussions going. What if it was Andrei Kostitsyn instead of Plekanec?

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02-25-2009, 10:01 AM
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Really? I gotta believe that would get discussions going. What if it was Andrei Kostitsyn instead of Plekanec?
Again, there's no way. Markov is the only player that they'd look at, and even then it just isn't worth it for them to do a straight up trade. If you want a number one defenceman, you have to give one back.

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02-25-2009, 10:08 AM
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Keith is somewhere in the column of...

Lidstrom
Chara
Pronger
Phaneuf
Markov
Kaberle
Bouwmeester
Timonen
Zubov
Gonchar
Niedermayer
Wideman
Weber
Burns
Regehr
Boyle
Campbell
Green
The thing is most look at his Salary and age and then say he is top 5. While if you were a franchise you would look at that and say I want him because of that, but lets look at skil right now, and forget age and salary, so is he then top 5?

Im thinking no, there are at least 10 guys on that list id prefer to have over Keith. If you include salary and age, well that eliminates a few but ignoring that, I dont think he is top 5 in the league.

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02-25-2009, 10:21 AM
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I'd take Vlasic over Keith. He is younger and signed to a very sweet contract and also plays just as many minutes against teams top lines.

Keith is very underrated imo, though.

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02-25-2009, 10:24 AM
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As a Shark fan, I would have no problem doing Ehrhoff, Couture, Petrecki, McGinn, and 3 1st for Keith.

Keith instantly becomes our teams #1 d-man replacing our #3/4 in Ehrhoff (we pick up and extra 1.7 million in cap space) and we give up 6 assets that won't make an impact for the next 2-6 years. With that said Chicago wouldn't do it.
Good god no. That leaves the Sharks with who exactly in the prospect pool?

Also, Vlasic says hello.

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02-25-2009, 10:30 AM
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I'm so confused.

Keith is a top 5 d-man in the league.

Vlasic > Keith

Vlasic is a top 4 d-man in the league?

All I do know is that Keith WON'T be going to Montreal. Or anywhere else other than Team Canada 2010.

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Keith is better than Vlasic. Maybe Vlasic has more potential, but that isn't really what they're talking about.

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02-25-2009, 10:42 AM
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Didn't want to turn this into a Keith vs Vlasic debate, but what exactly makes Keith better?

Oh, must be that little misleading +/- stat. Learn not to put too much faith in that stat telling you how good a player is.

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02-25-2009, 10:48 AM
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Didn't want to turn this into a Keith vs Vlasic debate, but what exactly makes Keith better?

Oh, must be that little misleading +/- stat. Learn not to put too much faith in that stat telling you how good a player is.
It's pretty tough to call that stat misleading when he plays pretty much the entire penalty kill every time the Hawks are shorthanded.

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02-25-2009, 10:55 AM
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It's pretty tough to call that stat misleading when he plays pretty much the entire penalty kill every time the Hawks are shorthanded.
It's pretty to tough to say that playing shorthanded has any impact on +/- when PP goals aren't counted in the stat.

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02-25-2009, 10:55 AM
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Yes, he is better than Niedermayer this season, he plays consistently on a level Nieds does only now and then.

GM's don't take phonecalls regarding players like Keith.

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02-25-2009, 11:19 AM
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or I don't know what to do after seeing the thread title.

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02-25-2009, 11:24 AM
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It would begin with Markov, and then Montreal would have to add something, and probably take Brent Sopel back to even up the salaries.
Markov for Keith??? Hockey isn't all about stats you know. I'd take Keith over Markov anytime. I've seen both play at least 150+ games on tv and live. In fact I'm glad my favorite team don't have many Markov type of player in their line-up.

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So, he's in the category with these players ?

Lidstrom, Chara, Pronger, Niedermayer ?
There are 21 Dmen who cover the bet at above the league average in Ev point Production, Power play production, and Goals against. Offensive Dmen.

I can remember 19 of them:
Chara
Weidmen
McCabe
Bouwmeister
Markov
Green
Kuba
Pronger
Neidermeyer
Raflski
Lidstrom
Blake
Boyle
Vlasic
Keith
Campbell
Suter
Weber
Souray
Gilbert
Grebeshkov

Interesting list. It gets better! Only 9 achieve 1st pairing #'s in the three categories as offensive Dmen.
Blake
Boyle
Rafalski
Lidstrom
Keith
Campbell
Grebeshkov
Markov
Green

Look no Pronger, Chara, or Neidermeyer. but Mr. Keith and Lidstrom are on.

If you want a real top 10. Take the 21 Dmen and look at these Dmen and see who is above the league average in Penalty kill as well. You probably end up with a list of 10

Just a quick Check:
Green
Suter
Weber
Boyle
Blake
Weidmen
Keith
Neidermeyer
Chara
Lidstrom

Of all the groups the only Dmen in the league who achieve First pairing numbers in all four categories would be: Best overall Dmen:
Green
Boyle
Blake
Keith

This year these are the four best overall Dmen in the league and My Norris choices.


You have your answer!


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02-25-2009, 11:32 AM
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I don't know about that trade, that's like trading 5 first round picks (petrecki,Couture) and then a solid D-man in Ehrhoff, and I don't know much about mcginn but he's got wheels.
The upgrade from a solid #3 to one of the top 5 defensemen in the league signed for 1.25 million is something that gives this team a great shot at a cup the next 2 years.

A line-up of:

Marleau-Thornton-Setoguchi
Michalek-Pavleski-Clowe
Grier-Mitchell-Cheechoo
Shelly-Roenick-whoever

Keith-Murray
Boyle-Lukowich
Blake-Vlasic

Nabby

Would be clear top in the league.
To give an idea of Keith's value, any team in the league with the cap space would consider throwing a huge offersheet (4 1st rounders or the equivalent of 3+ Couture) Duncan's way. So right there the deal starts to look like a minimal overpayment, add in his cap hit would be 1.45 rather 7, and I think it is worth Petrecki and McGinn.

It decimates our prospect pool, but those 1st rounders and Couture (due to ridiculous center depth) are not going to make an impact for a while.

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02-25-2009, 11:33 AM
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While I agree Keith is a much better d-man than most give him credit for I'd suggest you may want to consider changing your username to KeithFan4Life.
Indeed, he is good but not that good.

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Markov for Keith??? Hockey isn't all about stats you know. I'd take Keith over Markov anytime. I've seen both play at least 150+ games on tv and live. In fact I'm glad my favorite team don't have many Markov type of player in their line-up.
I see you know very little about hockey then.

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