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02-25-2009, 11:20 AM
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Ohlund's not going to be waiving his NTC to go to a non-playoff team.. no offense or anything.

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02-25-2009, 11:20 AM
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No deal.

Edler and a 1st could get you Kaberle (if no bidding war ensues) other wise adding to the deal would be necessary

Schneider (1st equivilent IMO) for Antropov
Edler for Kaberle straight up is a "no" from Vancouver. Both are all-round d-men who can skate, contain on D, and make a pass. Kaberle gets top minutes on his team and here are this season's stat lines:

Edler - 58GP, 28P, 22 years old

Kaberle - 49 GP, 30P, 30 years old


Why would Vancouver trade away Edler for a slight upgrade who is 8 years older, let alone add a first round pick?

Somebody will probably stupidly overpay for Kaberle, but it won't be Mike Gillis.

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02-25-2009, 11:55 AM
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To Vancouver:
Kaberle
Antropov

To Toronto
Edler
Schneider
Grabner

Please reply "Deal" or "No Deal" and comment as desired.
That heavily favours the Leafs, but i like the basis for it. Anyway i'd probably change the deal slightly to even it out, but i know Nucks fans might not be too pleased.

Kaberle, Antropov, Pogge, Stajan

for

Edler, Schneider, Grabner, 1st 09

in terms of value, it's fair. Vancouver gets their 3rd line centre, what they lose in schneider they gain in Pogge (although Pogge is not nearly the prospect Schneider is, Nucks have Bobby Lou and probably will for a long time so Pogge won't be rushed and will develop properly). Kaberle for Edler is a reasonable swap if you want to win the cup in the next few seasons, and then Antropov for Grabner makes sense because it brings in a right-now winger that's used to playing with Mats. The Van 1st 09 evens out the deal. Both teams benefit, the Leafs in the future and Vancouver right now. Leafs jump start their rebuild and Vancouver solidifies their lineup.

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Deal.

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02-25-2009, 01:08 PM
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Deal for the Leafs, **** NO from the Canucks.

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02-25-2009, 01:11 PM
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no deal we already have 2 leafs... and why would we give up edler? and burkey wouldnt let that fly either he can probs get a pretty decent draft pick outa those guys plus a decent player or two

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02-25-2009, 01:12 PM
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That heavily favours the Leafs, but i like the basis for it. Anyway i'd probably change the deal slightly to even it out, but i know Nucks fans might not be too pleased.

Kaberle, Antropov, Pogge, Stajan

for

Edler, Schneider, Grabner, 1st 09

in terms of value, it's fair. Vancouver gets their 3rd line centre, what they lose in schneider they gain in Pogge (although Pogge is not nearly the prospect Schneider is, Nucks have Bobby Lou and probably will for a long time so Pogge won't be rushed and will develop properly). Kaberle for Edler is a reasonable swap if you want to win the cup in the next few seasons, and then Antropov for Grabner makes sense because it brings in a right-now winger that's used to playing with Mats. The Van 1st 09 evens out the deal. Both teams benefit, the Leafs in the future and Vancouver right now. Leafs jump start their rebuild and Vancouver solidifies their lineup.

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Huge Huge overpayment by the Leafs.

Kaberle could bring back Edler and the 1st
Antropov could bring back Schneider
Pogge for Grabner

So Stajan, who is having a crazy year is dealt for nothing. He could easily bring back more than Antropov.

Not to mention if you end up in a bidding war Toronto could get more for each of those players individually.

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02-25-2009, 01:19 PM
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No Deal from the leafs. however i would take this over the boston proposal for kabs

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Do some of you guys honestly feel that Edler holds the same value as Kaberle?

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02-25-2009, 01:25 PM
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Huge Huge overpayment by the Leafs.

Kaberle could bring back Edler and the 1st
Antropov could bring back Schneider
Pogge for Grabner

So Stajan, who is having a crazy year is dealt for nothing. He could easily bring back more than Antropov.

Not to mention if you end up in a bidding war Toronto could get more for each of those players individually.
You are out of your mind if you think we're trading the best goaltender in the AHL for a Top-9 UFA winger that has never broken more than 50 points.

Pass, pass, pass, and PASS from Vancouver to any of the deals suggested. We're trying to go over he top, and none of the players mentioned (maybe Kaberle) are going to do just that for Vancouver.

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02-25-2009, 01:42 PM
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that has never broken more than 50 points.
He has broken fifty points...I do agree that Schneider could not be had for him straight up.

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02-25-2009, 01:46 PM
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We're all forgetting that Kaberle has already submitted a list of the 10 teams he'd be willing to be dealt to, and all of them were in the Eastern conference.So a no go for Van city.

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02-25-2009, 01:48 PM
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We're all forgetting that Kaberle has already submitted a list of the 10 teams he'd be willing to be dealt to, and all of them were in the Eastern conference.So a no go for Van city.
Good point.

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02-25-2009, 01:52 PM
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No deal.

Heck, I would not trade Edler straight up for Kaberle. It's likely they end up with comparable point totals this season, and Edler is already better defensively at 22 years of age. Plus he's even more cap-friendly then Kaberle.

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02-25-2009, 01:53 PM
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That heavily favours the Leafs, but i like the basis for it. Anyway i'd probably change the deal slightly to even it out, but i know Nucks fans might not be too pleased.

Kaberle, Antropov, Pogge, Stajan

for

Edler, Schneider, Grabner, 1st 09

in terms of value, it's fair. Vancouver gets their 3rd line centre, what they lose in schneider they gain in Pogge (although Pogge is not nearly the prospect Schneider is, Nucks have Bobby Lou and probably will for a long time so Pogge won't be rushed and will develop properly). Kaberle for Edler is a reasonable swap if you want to win the cup in the next few seasons, and then Antropov for Grabner makes sense because it brings in a right-now winger that's used to playing with Mats. The Van 1st 09 evens out the deal. Both teams benefit, the Leafs in the future and Vancouver right now. Leafs jump start their rebuild and Vancouver solidifies their lineup.

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Deal, again!

i'd take both offers!!!

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No deal in it's current state from a Vancouver POV.

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02-25-2009, 02:11 PM
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To Vancouver:
Kaberle
Antropov

To Toronto
Edler
Schneider
Grabner

Please reply "Deal" or "No Deal" and comment as desired.
throw in poni and you might get somewhere,mats would like these two to be there

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02-25-2009, 02:16 PM
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There is absolutely zero chance the Canucks make this trade.

EDIT: I don't understand why Leafs fans think the Canucks want to gut their future in order to acquire Kaberle and Antropov.


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02-25-2009, 02:29 PM
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I'm going to have to go with no deal as well. Edler has been playing great recently, and I don't like the idea of swapping Grabner and Schneider for Antropov.

The canucks top 6 looks fine right now... need a 3rd line gritty defensive center that helps the PK - which is the canucks biggest problem right now.
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02-25-2009, 02:47 PM
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Huge Huge overpayment by the Leafs.

Kaberle could bring back Edler and the 1st
Antropov could bring back Schneider
Pogge for Grabner

So Stajan, who is having a crazy year is dealt for nothing. He could easily bring back more than Antropov.

Not to mention if you end up in a bidding war Toronto could get more for each of those players individually.
Lets face it, there's next to no interest in Stajan or Antropov around the league despite what Eklund or similar ****heads think, my real aim is to get Schneider and Grabner, i think Grabner and Grabovski could turn out to be absolutely lethal together down the line with some work on their defensive games, and Edler sweetens the pot. Not an overpayment at all considering the ceilings on the returns.

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02-25-2009, 02:48 PM
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There is absolutely zero chance the Canucks make this trade.

EDIT: I don't understand why Leafs fans think the Canucks want to gut their future in order to acquire Kaberle and Antropov.
They did it last year with Sundin and they'll do it next year with whoever doesn't waive their NTC this year. I liked it better when they thought every player was comming to Toronto instead of now where they think everyone will give them their prospect pool.

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They did it last year with Sundin and they'll do it next year with whoever doesn't waive their NTC this year. I liked it better when they thought every player was comming to Toronto instead of now where they think everyone will give them their prospect pool.
I like that better too. Hopefully we'll be back to it soon.

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Kaberle, Antropov, Pogge, Stajan

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Edler, Schneider, Grabner, 1st 09
That's a worse deal than the original offer in my opinion. I'm not trying to flame, but there's just no way Vancouver would do this.

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Kaberle could bring back Edler and the 1st
Antropov could bring back Schneider
Pogge for Grabner
The only one of those deals that is even close to being fair value-wise is the Antropov for Schneider swap. However, the chances of Schneider being dealt before Luongo resigns (or doesn't resign as the case may be) are slim to none.

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I wouldn't do it if I was Vancouver. Schneider, Edler, and Grabner for Kabby and a couple months of Antropov doesn't make much sense.

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