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02-25-2009, 09:46 AM
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Is Malik the worst Bolt ever?

After last nights performance I put Malik at the top of my 'Worst Bolt Ever' list. (When they played for the Bolts)

Who do you think the top 5 are? My other 4

Sheldon Keefe
Mathieu Biron
Doug Janik
Jamie Ovestad

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02-25-2009, 10:50 AM
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You forget such gems as:
Ian Herbers
Colin Forbes
Alexander Daigle
Mario Larocque

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02-25-2009, 11:13 AM
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Mario Larocque...Almost (mercifully) forgot about him...Dang.

How about....Ummm Jason Bonsignore?

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02-25-2009, 11:17 AM
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cory stillman...I just don't like that he keeps signing with southeast teams, quit torturing the lightning you bum...

oh, and that one goalie named MARC DENIS!!!!!

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02-25-2009, 11:24 AM
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G David Littman 92-93: 45min 21shots 7goals 9.33GAA

Litty later became a clutch goalie for the Solar Bears and is now gameplay producer for EA's NHL series. I love the guy, but you can't deny those are some horrible numbers. Even in their inaugural season.

This is a tricky topic. Certainly the worst players in team history were only on the roster a few games, but the players that we think of played a significant amount.

Ian Herbers is a good pick though. He was only above average in the IHL. On his own merits, he would have never stayed on the Lightning nearly as long as he did if the Vipers management hadn't been installed.

D 37GP 0G-0A-0Pts 45PIM -12

Cory Cross wasn't anybody to write home about either, but he wasn't bad, so much as boring.


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02-25-2009, 11:29 AM
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cory stillman...I just don't like that he keeps signing with southeast teams, quit torturing the lightning you bum...

oh, and that one goalie named MARC DENIS!!!!!
You can add many goalies, but I find it difficult to even to speak their names. Holmqvist, Cloutier, Kochan,

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02-25-2009, 11:31 AM
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Eric Charron, David Wilkie, Brent Peterson, Ian Herbers, Jeff Reese, David Shaw, Bill Houlder's second time around, Dan Kesa, Brent Gretzky.

Malik is up there but some of the mid 90's teams were so bad it was comical.

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02-25-2009, 11:40 AM
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You can add many goalies, but I find it difficult to even to speak their names. Holmqvist, Cloutier, Kochan,
hey hey hey, don't you remember that one save where he dove from outside the crease and made a glove save on a point blank shot? it was awesome, we we're sitting 2 rows up when he made that save...now if only he hadn't been that far out of position in the first place he wouldn't have had to do that, but that's beside the point

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Enforcers tend to be marginal talents and wouldn't likely be there if it wasn't for their fists.

Enrico Ciccone, Rudy Poeschek, Gordie Dwyer, Louie DeBrusk, etc.

How about Igor Ulanov? Like Cross, a marginal talent that stuck around for quite a while.

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02-25-2009, 01:58 PM
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Igor Ulanov? I don't think he can make the "worst bolts ever" list... yes he was marginal... but he was one of the few players we had who would regularly throw body checks during that period. Igor also loved to go after Eric Lindros, which was always okay in my book.

Any list not including Ian Herbers = FAIL.

Wild shot in the dark list: (minimum 20 games logged)

Marc Denis
Jason Bonsignore
Ian Herbers
Cory Cross
Dieter Kochan (I had to double check this, hockeydb.com says he suited up for 20 games.)

There's been so many bad players but I'd have a hard time picturing a different set in the top 3.

I was tempted to put Jason Wiemer on this list but I think the owners over-hyped his abilities and so the meh performance wasn't his fault.

I almost swapped Donald Dufresne with Cory Cross but I just have it in for Cross. Cross was never in position and his backwards skating skills weren't even AHL quality. How Cross hung on for so long in this league is a mystery to me.

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02-25-2009, 03:30 PM
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Malik
Mathieu Biron

All time Level A
Yves Racine
Ian Herbers
Krisian Kudroc
Dieter Kochan
Karl Dykhuis

All time Level B
Bryan Marchment
Alexander Daigle
Vladimir Vujtek
Jeff Norton
Marc Denis

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02-25-2009, 04:13 PM
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hey hey hey, don't you remember that one save where he dove from outside the crease and made a glove save on a point blank shot? it was awesome, we we're sitting 2 rows up when he made that save...now if only he hadn't been that far out of position in the first place he wouldn't have had to do that, but that's beside the point

I have to take the side of Holmqvist as well. Even though he did have some bad games and about 50 short side 3rd period goals, there were games where if he had not been playing so well, we wouldn't have won.

I also have to second the vote for Herbers.

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Theres been so many...but Malik is one of the worst Bolts of the last 10 years for sure.

Mathieu Biron is pretty high up there...he was like a worse version of Malik, and yes, there are worse defenseman than Malik he was one of them! lol

I don't think I would have Ulanov, Racine, Dykhuis or Marchment on these lists though. There were much, much worse players then them on those mid 90's teams....the list could be pretty long.

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02-25-2009, 05:25 PM
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To be fair, Malik has played an awful lot with Murphy. Anybody on the ice at the same time as the wizard himself is in for huge embarrassment on a nightly basis.

As for Ulanov, yeah, I'll admit he wasn't top tier bad. Cory Cross reminded me of him.

D Jamie Huscroft has to be top tier though.
96-97: 13GP 1A 34PIM
goals for while on ice 3
goals against while on ice 8
pp goals against 1

97-98: 44GP 3A 122PIM
shots on goal 21
goals for while on ice 11
goals against while on ice 23

The Lightning traded him to Vancouver to reacquire Enrico Ciccone

No joke, Huscroft runs/ran a hockey school called "Hockey Excellence" in Tacoma.


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Basically we had an identical thread last season pertaining with Malik being the worst ranger d-man ever lol.

At this point tho i'd rather have malik than redden...

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Cory Cross and Hebers are my picks, Malik is up (..down) with those two..

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Malik without a doubt is the worst in recent memory.

I disliked cory cross, ian herbers, ken hodge jr, michel mongeau, steve kelly, karl dykhuis, yves racine, dan cloutier, john grahame and gerard gallant. all were terrible with the team.

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He is terrible this year but he did win the Plus/Minus Award in 2004 (co-recipient with Martin St. Louis).

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Jimmie Olvestad was not terrible like the first poster said. I actually liked him on the line with Taylor in 2001

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02-26-2009, 07:56 AM
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He is terrible this year but he did win the Plus/Minus Award in 2004 (co-recipient with Martin St. Louis).
I think the whole +/- debate has been beat to death already...IMO it's kind of a throwaway stat

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02-26-2009, 08:05 AM
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Jimmie Olvestad was not terrible like the first poster said. I actually liked him on the line with Taylor in 2001
Olvestad was an important player for me in the original, freeware EHM.

Which counts for absolutely nothing.

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02-26-2009, 08:13 AM
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Jimmie Olvestad was not terrible like the first poster said. I actually liked him on the line with Taylor in 2001
I suppose 74 3 11 14 was a better year than 02/03 when he went 37 0 3 3
I expect more than 3 goals/17 points in 111 games from a 3rd line winger.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=45044

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You guys just going by stats and games played as a Bolt or are you actually going by their performances on the ice? Case in point, Olvestad...who I doubt ever received the icetime to be categorized as a "3rd line winger" and I'm not sure what kind of totals he was supposed to put up on any line. And he certainly was never, ever considered a scoring linger winger, not even a little, so I wouldn't harp on his stats to begin with.

Olvestad was a energy player penalty killer and I remember after the season he didn't return thinking I missed him in the lineup. He does not deserve to be mentioned among the worst Bolts of all-time, with some of the trash that has played here over years.

You can't just look at games played and stats during that time and comare them and go, "oh yeah this guy was terrible..."

If this thread were entitled, "Bolts with the least production over x amount of games" then Olvestad certainly would be a viable conversation piece then.

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Eric Charron, David Wilkie, Brent Peterson, Ian Herbers, Jeff Reese, David Shaw, Bill Houlder's second time around, Dan Kesa, Brent Gretzky.

Malik is up there but some of the mid 90's teams were so bad it was comical.
Awww, Jeff Reese? But he had that one great playoff game in 96 that I was at where Puppa was out with back spasms!

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Can I throw in Wendel Clark's name?

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