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I haven't followed him much since he was traded from Tampa Bay. Has he been able to turn his season around with the Flyers, or is it possible that he might be traded again at the deadline?
As an Ottawa fan, I know Bryan Murray almost dealt Redden to SJ last season for Carle and a 1st, but Redden refused to waive his NTC. So it's possible that Carle might still be on Murray's radar, especially since he is locked up for a few more years.
What would it take from Ottawa's side? some combination of Kuba and/or Neil? (again, I haven't followed Carle much since he was traded from TB, so I'm not sure of his value).
He's been solid for the Flyers thus far. I think if he gets traded it will be in a package to obtain a #1 goalie or #1-2 Physical D-man (Here's to pipedreaming for Bouwmeester or Pronger).
Don't know if Ottawa and the Flyers are the best of trading partners right now.
I haven't followed him much since he was traded from Tampa Bay. Has he been able to turn his season around with the Flyers, or is it possible that he might be traded again at the deadline?
As an Ottawa fan, I know Bryan Murray almost dealt Redden to SJ last season for Carle and a 1st, but Redden refused to waive his NTC. So it's possible that Carle might still be on Murray's radar, especially since he is locked up for a few more years.
What would it take from Ottawa's side? some combination of Kuba and/or Neil? (again, I haven't followed Carle much since he was traded from TB, so I'm not sure of his value).
Ottawa already has 3 number 5/6 defensemen who are offensive guys.... Campoli, Bell and Picard no need for another
What would it take from Ottawa's side? some combination of Kuba and/or Neil?
He won't be traded for any impending UFA (unless its in a package for J-BO or a legit #1 goalie)
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Originally Posted by decadentia
He's been solid for the Flyers thus far. I think if he gets traded it will be in a package to obtain a #1 goalie or #1-2 Physical D-man (Here's to pipedreaming for Bouwmeester or Pronger).
I'm a fan of your pipe dreams
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Originally Posted by bert
Ottawa already has 3 number 5/6 defensemen who are offensive guys.... Campoli, Bell and Picard no need for another
Carle is definitely a 2nd pairing guy and still improving. He's a little soft for my taste but is definitely a great puck mover. Doesn't make too many terrible mistakes, but bounces off everyone he tries to hit. I have no doubt that he's going to go somewhere if the Flyers pull off a Bouwmeester deal.
Honeslty the only thing Holmgren would be interested in from Ottawa would be one of Phillips or Volchenkov. We need shutdown D. But I know that they are untouchable for ottawa so I dont think we make good trade partners.
Kuba is a better player than Carle, but is a UFA.....so I'm not sure Flyers will take a chance on him...or he'll waive his NTC.
Kuba isn't any significant upgrade, that's for sure. In his last 38 games, he has 14 points. In Carle's last 38 games, he has 15 points.
Add that to the fact that Kuba is not what we need (a physical presence), and its a lateral move at best in the short term, and in the long term its horrible. Trading a younger player with more upside to fill the same role as an older impending UFA makes no sense.
Kuba is not better than Carle now, and Carle will only improve.
No he defenitely is better then Carle now. He is a better defenseman then both phillips and volchenkov. Very good defensively believe it or not and he brings offense.
No he defenitely is better then Carle now. He is a better defenseman then both phillips and volchenkov. Very good defensively believe it or not and he brings offense.
Seriously? I mean, I like Kuba, he's a decent defenseman, but this is hyperbole.
Since his hot start, he has been no better than Carle, who is also younger with more upside and signed long term. You don't give that up for an impending UFA. Its a lateral move for now, and a horrible move for the future, as far as the Flyers are concerned.
And he's not better than Phillips or Volchenkov. Different maybe, but certainly not better.
Seriously? I mean, I like Kuba, he's a decent defenseman, but this is hyperbole.
Since his hot start, he has been no better than Carle, who is also younger with more upside and signed long term. You don't give that up for an impending UFA. Its a lateral move for now, and a horrible move for the future, as far as the Flyers are concerned.
And he's not better than Phillips or Volchenkov. Different maybe, but certainly not better.
First of all I dont want Carle on Ottawa. There is a reason he keeps getting delt and I have watched him play for San Jose, Tampa and now Philly do you honestly think with his defensive game he is a top 4 on a cup contender? If he was Philly wouldnt be looking for an upgrade. If Ottawa deals Kuba I want it to be for pics and prospects they have enough players in Carles range in age and skill level. I am not saying Carle isnt better then Bell and Picard he clearly is but Ottawa has that....
Kuba has now led his team in ice time the past three seasons coming in around 26 minutes has Carle ever done that? He is a much better defensive defensman then you give him credit for. He is very big 6'4 240, very mobile and very strong. He blocks alot of shots and fills lanes with his big frame and active stick. One of the few plus players on ottawa. He isnt going to run a guy from across the rink but he will lean on them all night. He also has offense to boot. He is a top 3 guy on a cup contender because he can play in any situation.
The standard "So and so is easily better than so and so" HF Boards hyperbole....with a cute little emoticon added in for emphasis. Nevermind that their production over the past 38 games has been identical, or that Carle has a much higher upside, or that he is signed long term, or that Kuba is an UFA. Not like that has any bearing on anything...
If Kuba is better, than Ottawa can keep him, because the Flyers have no interest. None.
Good because you aren't getting him for someone like Kuba
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Originally Posted by bert
There is a reason he keeps getting delt and I have watched him play for San Jose, Tampa and now Philly do you honestly think with his defensive game he is a top 4 on a cup contender? If he was Philly wouldnt be looking for an upgrade.
Yes, he is good enough now AND in the future to be a top-4 on a contending team. I watch him every game, I have a pretty good idea what I'm talking about. We're looking for an upgrade because that's what Cup contenders do. And the Flyers fans didn't make this silly little proposal, and we don't see Kuba as an upgrade, because he's not.
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Originally Posted by bert
If Ottawa deals Kuba I want it to be for pics and prospects they have enough players in Carles range in age and skill level. I am not saying Carle isnt better then Bell and Picard he clearly is but Ottawa has that....
That's fine, makes sense. Again, Philly fans didn't make this proposal. We don't want Kuba, and Ottawa doesn't want Carle. End of story.
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Originally Posted by bert
Kuba has now led his team in ice time the past three seasons coming in around 26 minutes has Carle ever done that? He is a much better defensive defensman then you give him credit for. He is very big 6'4 240, very mobile and very strong. He blocks alot of shots and fills lanes with his big frame and active stick. One of the few plus players on ottawa. He isnt going to run a guy from across the rink but he will lean on them all night. He also has offense to boot. He is a top 3 guy on a cup contender because he can play in any situation.
That's all sweet and stuff, and I think Kuba is a decent defenseman, but he is no significant upgrade on Carle, now or in the future (which he doesn't have here because he's an UFA), and isn't at all what Philly needs.
No need for Matt Carle on Ottawa. Sure, he's competent but he is not a #1-2 D and I don't see any signs of him regaining his rookie year form. Thus, unneeded. Let's trade Kuba for prospects/picks and let Philly create a package for a Kaberle or JBow.
I haven't followed him much since he was traded from Tampa Bay. Has he been able to turn his season around with the Flyers, or is it possible that he might be traded again at the deadline?
As an Ottawa fan, I know Bryan Murray almost dealt Redden to SJ last season for Carle and a 1st, but Redden refused to waive his NTC. So it's possible that Carle might still be on Murray's radar, especially since he is locked up for a few more years.
What would it take from Ottawa's side? some combination of Kuba and/or Neil? (again, I haven't followed Carle much since he was traded from TB, so I'm not sure of his value).
NO, i'm petty sure it wasn't Carle and a 1st, it was Redden for Marleau "still have the article"
He sets up offensive chances on both ends of the ice....
I'm sorry that Holmgren can't magically find another Timonen at half the cost.
I mean, it's not like teams aren't completely willing to give up their best d-men to us.
Seriously... I hate how us Flyers fans seem to think every mistake makes a player terrible. There are 0 mistake-free players in the league. None. And the ones that make very few, are paid like it. There's a reason Carle's our #3, not our #1. If he was that good, do you think he'd be earning just $3.5M?
The standard "So and so is easily better than so and so" HF Boards hyperbole....with a cute little emoticon added in for emphasis. Nevermind that their production over the past 38 games has been identical, or that Carle has a much higher upside, or that he is signed long term, or that Kuba is an UFA. Not like that has any bearing on anything...
If Kuba is better, than Ottawa can keep him, because the Flyers have no interest. None.
