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02-27-2009, 03:30 PM
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didnt that have to do with trading for Alberts would have put them over the 50 contract limit? so they sent the Bruins a couple of ECHL scrubs?
They sent them Ned Lukacevic and draft pick, and then released Freddy Cabana.

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02-27-2009, 03:35 PM
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They sent them Ned Lukacevic and draft pick, and then released Freddy Cabana.
forgot about Cabana getting released.
Lukacevic is an awfull hockey player.
Wish that draft pick was conditional.

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02-27-2009, 03:37 PM
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Post me the line-up that we would ice with your moves, please and thank you.
Well, if Timonen is out, Parent would stay up, Ross also recalled at the league minimum. Players are also still eligible to play while they're on waivers.

Forwards:
Richards
Knuble
Gagne
Hartnell
Carter
Lupul
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02-27-2009, 03:44 PM
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Vaananen to Vancover.

God dammit hes better than Kukkonen and is only worth .150 mil more.

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02-27-2009, 04:03 PM
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Well, if Timonen is out, Parent would stay up, Ross also recalled at the league minimum. Players are also still eligible to play while they're on waivers.

Forwards:
Richards
Knuble
Gagne
Hartnell
Carter
Lupul
Upshall
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Metropolit
Kukkonen/Ross
Briere

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Parent/Kukkonen
I don't think that gets us under the cap, not 100% sure though.

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02-27-2009, 04:04 PM
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I can't believe there are over 400+ posts about this. They're fringe players, people. Purely depth. Are you really upset we didn't get late round picks for them when everyone (and their mother) knows we are right up against the cap and Briere is almost ready to go?

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I can't believe there are over 400+ posts about this. They're fringe players, people. Purely depth. Are you really upset we didn't get late round picks for them when everyone (and their mother) knows we are right up against the cap and Briere is almost ready to go?
Unbelievable, isn't it?

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I don't think that gets us under the cap, not 100% sure though.
If Timonen is put on IR retroactive to whenever he got the flu it is.

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If Timonen is put on IR retroactive to whenever he got the flu it is.
That's what I was thinking too, only way it would work.

I'm pretty sure though (as I mentioned earlier), that we'd have the NHL all over our ass with any IR moves, let alone one for a flu. Fair enough to say that at this point, we've been 'flagged' by the league.

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I can't believe there are over 400+ posts about this. They're fringe players, people. Purely depth. Are you really upset we didn't get late round picks for them when everyone (and their mother) knows we are right up against the cap and Briere is almost ready to go?
So ignore the thread, then! In case you haven't noticed, it's a discussion board of a passionate fan base and it's obviously got a lot of us riled up. If you can't believe the number of replies, stop adding to it.

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Lost two completely replaceable cogs. Why is it even a sticky?

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Lost two completely replaceable cogs. Why is it even a sticky?
Always can count on MH to put it in perspective.

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How much cap space do the Flyers need to activate Briere now that they lost Metro and Ossi?

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How much cap space do the Flyers need to activate Briere now that they lost Metro and Ossi?
0- they need to send Kukkonen down before they can even activate him

With Timmonen hurt- they can not activate him

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02-27-2009, 05:40 PM
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Lost two completely replaceable cogs. Why is it even a sticky?
How do we replace them with no cap room? We're going to be playing the rest of the season with no 7th d-man and no 13th forward.

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Honestly, as much as I hate getting into how Briere's contract is totally screwing us.. wait


God damnit, his contract totally IS screwing us!

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02-27-2009, 08:58 PM
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Honestly, as much as I hate getting into how Briere's contract is totally screwing us.. wait


God damnit, his contract totally IS screwing us!
It's not necessarily screwing us, it could just be used in other area's...with a small percentage of it banked for a rainy day.

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0- they need to send Kukkonen down before they can even activate him

With Timmonen hurt- they can not activate him
Nah metro and Vaananen are enough room for Briere. So it has nothing to do with Kimmo. Sending Ross back down would be enough so Briere is obviously not mready

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We're allowed to be wrong.


It's a GM's job to not be wrong.
So I can't disagree with a decision.............?

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02-28-2009, 05:53 PM
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It's not necessarily screwing us, it could just be used in other area's...with a small percentage of it banked for a rainy day.
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So I can't disagree with a decision.............?
I think we may have been in agreement.

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I don't disagree with any of your points really, I'm just trying to explain the organization's philosophy.

Alberts hits guys and is a lot more physical than any of our other d-man. Vaananen is basically a slightly less talented Ryan Parent clone.

I think the organization wanted to keep some physicality on the blue line and decided to let Ossi go instead.

Do I agree with letting go of Ossi over Alberts? Not sure. My issue was more with people crying over the fact that we didn't get compensation which wasn't very likely to happen.
Thats fine. It would be one thing if he just wasnt performing, fine.....However, it is clearly a salary dump and there are other dmen on the team that would make much more sense to dump based on their salary. If Jones is now included in some sort of trade for a better dman fine....if not, I dont like it. You cant have too many steady stay at home dman and we really only have one now and he is very young.

Dont forget, even if some dont think Vaananen has outplayed Alberts by much, Vaananen was facing top opposition, Alberts has been on the 3rd pairing all year.

It obviously wont make or break the team, but it is just another in a string of personnel decisions that are making me question that this GM/coach can get it done.

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I did. Your upset because Holmgren waived everyones new favorite " Kukkonen " in Vaananan. Hate to break it to you but he isn't very good.

I think the Flyers head coach and GM know who will bring more to their club then you. Alberts is better then Vaananan.

Lupul's deal isnt awful as some make it out to be. 4 M for a 20 goal scorer / 45 point player who will go through the prime of his career and may add more. His new deal doesn't kick in until next year. It has NO BALANCE on the cap this year.


Once again the Jones deal isn't THAT bad. He makes a shade under 3M. He is on the PP and is a solid player. He is everyone's new scapegoat for some reason. Yes he does make mistakes but who doesn't. He is a solid NHL D-man and gets paid like it.

That said Holmgren isnt perfect. The Briere deal is too long and yes he did overpay for Jones. That said the man turned the franchise around and has made numerous great trades. He has my respect and support until he completely ****s up.
No you didnt....If you did, you would have noticed I had two posts and my thought that I threw out there wasnt a result of simply the Vaananen move but all moves made by Homer.

To compare Kukkonen and Vaananen shows your ignorance. Vaananen became a top 4 dman in Phoenix and then was a top 4 dman in Colorado and was on the top pairing here. How does that compare to Kukkonen?

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Vaananen became a top 4 dman in Phoenix and then was a top 4 dman in Colorado and was on the top pairing here. How does that compare to Kukkonen?
If Vaanenen is as good some of you think, why is he now on his 6th team in 10 years?

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Honestly, as much as I hate getting into how Briere's contract is totally screwing us.. wait


God damnit, his contract totally IS screwing us!
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It's not necessarily screwing us, it could just be used in other area's...with a small percentage of it banked for a rainy day.
Randy Jones contract is completely screwing us as well. We could have kept a 13th forward and 7th dman if we got rid of him instead of the other two.

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If Vaanenen is as good some of you think, why is he now on his 6th team in 10 years?

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What the hell does that have to do with anything? Last time I checked the "greatest of all time" played on 4 teams....

And I am kinda curious where you are getting 6 teams??? He played for Phoenix, Colorado, Philly and now Vancouver.

The only reason he is playing for his 4th team is cause we are idiots and decided to waive him instead of other players that should have been waived.

He is one of those solid but not flashy players....They always move around a bit.

We are the only ones that decided he isnt a top 6 dman......after he was playing on our top pairing all year....figure that one out.

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Randy Jones contract is completely screwing us as well. We could have kept a 13th forward and 7th dman if we got rid of him instead of the other two.
It's not helping, but I wouldn't say it's screwing us. Before we aquired Carle (we already Jones), we were tight. Okay, but tight. Then we moved Eminger for Carle and it became ***ing tight.

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What the hell does that have to do with anything? Last time I checked the "greatest of all time" played on 4 teams...
Please tell me you're not comparing Gretzky to Vaanenen.

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