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02-27-2009, 10:24 PM
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I think he's the one we should target.

-Can play with Hammer on the 2nd pair
-Can fill the RD spot on the PP
-Playoff experience with a few Cups
-Will be cheaper than Bouwmeester, Ohlund etc etc

While he has a pretty big cap hit, he's a UFA at year's end...
I said this back in early January...cookie please?

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I said this back in early January...cookie please?
Just January? Bah, Gainey said during his PC that he's been trying to get Schneider since November but he wasn't available until now.

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With a bit of mayonaisse, crow ain't that bad...

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I like you you know?

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I am loling so hard at the people who claimed it was a horrible trade, and were calling for Gainey's head before Schneider even played a single game for us.

I did say I would wait 10 games, but I can't hold it in, he's been too productive

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Schneider is literaly saving this season for us.

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Schneider is literaly saving this season for us.
He sure as hell saved our abysmal power play.

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He sure as hell saved our abysmal power play.
At the very least. I am loving this move and I hope the haters are becoming lovers of it also!!

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03-03-2009, 12:07 PM
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Well, I'm here to eat some crow. But I will also clarify my position. My original position was that I didn't think Schneider was the answer, but that I would give him a chance; regardless, I felt as though Gainey had overpaid.

Suffice to say I think Schneider's blown everyone away thus far. He hasn't been the sole reason for our success, but I think it would be foolish to ignore the tremendous impact he has had on our powerplay. So I was wrong to characterise the deal as one of desperation, though I doubt even Gainey thought he was getting this much out of Schneider.

Nonetheless, in terms of addressing needs and team weaknesses, I think Gainey did a tremendous job with this deal. Schneider is doing exactly what we want (and more) and he's filling a need the team we desperately needed. This is what you want your GMs to do, and kudos to Gainey for making this happen.

That being said, I still think he overpaid, especially if you look at the recent deal for Havelid. Havelid is not only a superior player to Schneider but he also has a more manageable contract, which should lead people to believe that he carries higher value. Unless Salmela is truly a diamond in the rough, NJ filled a need for next to nothing. Havelid wouldn't fill the PP need on our team, so I can understand Gainey not pursuing him, but I still think that when you look at both deals Montreal paid a significantly higher price to address a weakness than NJ did.

Still, all in all I'm still very pleased with what Schneider has brought to this team.

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03-03-2009, 12:09 PM
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Well, I'm here to eat some crow. But I will also clarify my position. My original position was that I didn't think Schneider was the answer, but that I would give him a chance; regardless, I felt as though Gainey had overpaid.

Suffice to say I think Schneider's blown everyone away thus far. He hasn't been the sole reason for our success, but I think it would be foolish to ignore the tremendous impact he has had on our powerplay. So I was wrong to characterise the deal as one of desperation, though I doubt even Gainey thought he was getting this much out of Schneider.

Nonetheless, in terms of addressing needs and team weaknesses, I think Gainey did a tremendous job with this deal. Schneider is doing exactly what we want (and more) and he's filling a need the team we desperately needed. This is what you want your GMs to do, and kudos to Gainey for making this happen.

That being said, I still think he overpaid, especially if you look at the recent deal for Havelid. Havelid is not only a superior player to Schneider but he also has a more manageable contract, which should lead people to believe that he carries higher value. Unless Salmela is truly a diamond in the rough, NJ filled a need for next to nothing. Havelid wouldn't fill the PP need on our team, so I can understand Gainey not pursuing him, but I still think that when you look at both deals Montreal paid a significantly higher price to address a weakness than NJ did.

Still, all in all I'm still very pleased with what Schneider has brought to this team.
Havelid is a much different kind of dman than Schneider. A better example would be to look at what ottawa gave up for Campoli.

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Well, I'm here to eat some crow. But I will also clarify my position. My original position was that I didn't think Schneider was the answer, but that I would give him a chance; regardless, I felt as though Gainey had overpaid.

Suffice to say I think Schneider's blown everyone away thus far. He hasn't been the sole reason for our success, but I think it would be foolish to ignore the tremendous impact he has had on our powerplay. So I was wrong to characterise the deal as one of desperation, though I doubt even Gainey thought he was getting this much out of Schneider.

Nonetheless, in terms of addressing needs and team weaknesses, I think Gainey did a tremendous job with this deal. Schneider is doing exactly what we want (and more) and he's filling a need the team we desperately needed. This is what you want your GMs to do, and kudos to Gainey for making this happen.

That being said, I still think he overpaid, especially if you look at the recent deal for Havelid. Havelid is not only a superior player to Schneider but he also has a more manageable contract, which should lead people to believe that he carries higher value. Unless Salmela is truly a diamond in the rough, NJ filled a need for next to nothing. Havelid wouldn't fill the PP need on our team, so I can understand Gainey not pursuing him, but I still think that when you look at both deals Montreal paid a significantly higher price to address a weakness than NJ did.

Still, all in all I'm still very pleased with what Schneider has brought to this team.
To be fair though, since they do fill different roles, the demand for the respective type of defenseman they represent also is quite different thus affecting their market value.

While Schneider's hefty contract (given his age and skillset) would make most teams shy away. To a team like Montreal that isn't afraid of spending and needed to improve it's powerplay BADLY, the ball is really in the seller's court.

Sure Bob could have sat and waited till the price lowered or not done anything at all, but one can already imagine the consequences.

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03-03-2009, 12:16 PM
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Havelid is a much different kind of dman than Schneider. A better example would be to look at what ottawa gave up for Campoli.
I'm talking more about pending UFAs in 1 for 1 deals. Campoli is making about 650K, still has another year on his contract and then he's RFA. You have to think that as an asset he carries significantly more value than a pending UFA making 4.5M like Schneider.

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I'm talking more about pending UFAs in 1 for 1 deals. Campoli is making about 650K, still has another year on his contract and then he's RFA. You have to think that as an asset he carries significantly more value than a pending UFA making 4.5M like Schneider.
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I really don't think Havelid could have anywhere near the effect that Schnieder has.

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To be fair though, since they do fill different roles, the demand for the respective type of defenseman they represent also is quite different thus affecting their market value.

While Schneider's hefty contract (given his age and skillset) would make most teams shy away. To a team like Montreal that isn't afraid of spending and needed to improve it's powerplay BADLY, the ball is really in the seller's court.

Sure Bob could have sat and waited till the price lowered or not done anything at all, but one can already imagine the consequences.
Fair enough, and I think the bolded part is a really good point. Often times we have no way of knowing what real market value is and obviously guys who can play the PP are at a premium regardless of age or contract.

Personally I probably underrate powerplay specialists/offensive dmen quite a bit. (Streit's contract for instance made no sense to me.) For that reason I probably look at it as overpayment when the reality is it's probably close to market value for a guy who's going to help your PP.

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