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02-27-2009, 05:47 PM
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New York / Minnesota

To New York:
-Marian Gaborik
-Conditional 2010 4th if he doesn't resign

To Minnesota:
-Scott Gomez
-Blair Betts
-Conditional 2010 3rd if he resigns

Go at me now. Plain and simple, this Ranger team is going nowhere with the players that they have now. Trading Gomez for Gaborik might seem dumb in some Rangers's fan's eyes since you would be trading for his complementary winger, but giving Gomez up in the same trade. I don't care about his glass groin. If Gaborik stays healthy then he'd be good in NY under Torts's system. He'd finally get away from a defensive system.

On the Minny side, eh, you get something for Gaborik. Blair Betts would still be Blair Betts in Minnesota under their system.

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02-27-2009, 05:50 PM
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STEAL for the Rangers

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How do you explain that when Minny plays better without Gaborik? Add that onto his glass groin.

EDIT: Oh, by the way, how many other teams are interested in giving up something for Gaborik at this point?

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02-27-2009, 05:52 PM
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How do you explain that when Minny plays better without Gaborik, and add that onto his glass groin.
So they play better without Gaborik and his 6+M contract, so you expect them to add a worse player that costs more....?

It just doesn't really make sense.

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So they play better without Gaborik and his 6+M contract, so you expect them to add a worse player that costs more....?

It just doesn't really make sense.
I guess Blair Betts is void in this proposal then? Gomez has nothing going on for him in NY, so Minnesota cannot be any worse.

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02-27-2009, 05:57 PM
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I guess Blair Betts is void in this proposal then? Gomez has nothing going on for him in NY, so Minnesota cannot be any worse.
They can be worse....

.... Especially if they take on 7+ million cap dollars of deadweight for long term.

And Betts is pretty much "voided" in this deal. He doesn't have much value at all.

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02-27-2009, 05:59 PM
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They can be worse....

.... Especially if they take on 7+ million cap dollars of deadweight for long term.

And Betts is pretty much "voided" in this deal. He doesn't have much value at all.
I guess being called the most underrated player in the NHL by players of the Hurricanes does not mean much to you then? You ever care to watch a NY PK when Betts is on?

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I guess being called the most underrated player in the NHL by players of the Hurricanes does not mean much to you then? You ever care to watch a NY PK when Betts is on?

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02-27-2009, 06:03 PM
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The wild can let Gaborik walk and take their chances with that 7.5 they'd be spending on Gomez in Free Agency. They'll be able to get two players better than Gomez with that money in the offseason, they have no motivation to take on that contract.

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I am not saying he was superstar value, but he does have more than you are saying he has. At least more than Voros/Rissmiller/Kalinin/Dawes.

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The wild can let Gaborik walk and take their chances with that 7.5 they'd be spending on Gomez in Free Agency. They'll be able to get two players better than Gomez with that money in the offseason, they have no motivation to take on that contract.
Dumb.

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WOAH! since when have the wild ever played better without gaborik?

i think you meant to say, the wild can survive without gaborik, which isnt exactly true because they havent even hit the toughest portion of their season schedule..

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Dumb.
For the same price as Gomez they'll get two players that combined will produce far more for their team, and make them a better team, than Gomez would.

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02-27-2009, 06:18 PM
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Dumb.
you've convinced me. The Sedins aren't as good as Gomez. Minnesota is dying to blow cap space on a 7.5 million dollar forward who's going to struggle to get to 70 points. It's not like Gomez makes more money than Pavel Datsyuk, Iginla, Dan Boyle, and Luongo or anything like that. You usually expect that kind of production for that price.

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I would take that and run as a Ranger fan.

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02-27-2009, 08:18 PM
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Some guys are tied up to huge contracts that make them unmoveable--Gomez is one of them and he is not playing very well.......much like Jason Blake last year.

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02-27-2009, 08:31 PM
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you've convinced me. The Sedins aren't as good as Gomez. Minnesota is dying to blow cap space on a 7.5 million dollar forward who's going to struggle to get to 70 points. It's not like Gomez makes more money than Pavel Datsyuk, Iginla, Dan Boyle, and Luongo or anything like that. You usually expect that kind of production for that price.
What you said is that you can get two players who are better than Gomez for $7.5m in unrestricted free agency.

I don't know if it's what you meant, but it reads as though you were saying that for a combined total of $7.5m, you could sign two players, each of whom are better than Scott Gomez. Barring two of the shrewdest UFA signings in history, this is absurd.

The fact that Gomez makes more money than a list of players who gave the teams they signed with hometown discounts is completely immaterial - are you trying to distract attention from what was either a ridiculous claim or, due to your poor choice of words, an ambiguous statement that was understandably misread?

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02-27-2009, 08:36 PM
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woah wut? play better w/out gaborik? if gaby was in, weller would be scratched all year and we'd have 15 more points in the standings (conservatively). No one plays better or does better with a guy like gaborik sidelined.

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02-27-2009, 08:45 PM
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This is fair for both sides. Obviously the value is way off, but with Gaborik's status Minnesota would be lucky to get anything at all for him.

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02-27-2009, 08:50 PM
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you're missing the fact that we'd have to pay gomez or somehow get rid of him. no, thank you.

that's like getting negative value for gaborik--crippling us with Gomez' deal.

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02-27-2009, 09:36 PM
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Rangers pass.

No need to trade any assets for McGimpy. I'd rather pay Gomez the money since he actually is capable of playing a full hockey season, regardless of how overpaid he is.

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Dumb.

Why is that dumb? There already few teams with cap space next summer and will be fewer the year after. Especially if the cap drops by 10% or more in the summer of 2010. Honestly the Wild would be better off taking their cap space and trying to sign Mikael Samuelsson and Brian Gionta this off-season.

I don't have anything personal against Gomez he is just overpaid for what he does. Besides the Wild have a similar type player in Bouchard who with the correct winger can put up similar numbers to Gomez 15-20 goals and 45-55 assists.

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02-27-2009, 11:01 PM
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EDIT: Oh, by the way, how many other teams are interested in giving up something for Gaborik at this point?
What exactly are you giving?

They'd be better off taking a deal like Eaton, Satan and a prospect from the Pens....

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nope its best for minny to try to re-sign him at the end of the year

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