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03-01-2009, 12:32 PM
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Carle did have a very good game vs. Montreal, there are also games where he makes dumb plays like the tape-to-tape pass to Malkin last week. He has his moments, he is far less consistent than you're painting him to be. When it comes down to it, I'll take him over Jones, Eminger, Kukkonen, etc, but we can still do better.
He's a better version of Jones...and paid more to boot.

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He's a better version of Jones...and paid more to boot.
Honestly, I'll take Carle's cap hit over Jones, but that doesn't mean either contract is very good.

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I know we get along most of the time, but are you kidding? Carle has been our 2nd most consistent defenseman since the trade without a doubt. I mean, did you catch the game against MTL? He played a whale of a game, was all over the ice, led several offensive rushes, and made a couple nice defensive plays.

This team has gotten a lot better since he came, you can argue that's also due to improved goaltending/offense, but I also think Carle deserves some credit, he's done very well and is more than "slight upgrade" on Jones.
I did....he had a great game against Montreal....but for ever game he has like that, he has 3-4 where he makes boneheaded plays with the puck.

This team got better because it started off like ****, had less to do with Carle than you are making it out to be.

Vaananen was much more consistent than him defensively, so since he isnt on the team anymore if you want to call him our 2nd most consistent, fine....but that is compared to who, Jone, Kukkonen, Coburn, Alberts, Sbisa???? Isnt really saying much.

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03-01-2009, 12:57 PM
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I did....he had a great game against Montreal....but for ever game he has like that, he has 3-4 where he makes boneheaded plays with the puck.

This team got better because it started off like ****, had less to do with Carle than you are making it out to be.

Vaananen was much more consistent than him defensively, so since he isnt on the team anymore if you want to call him our 2nd most consistent, fine....but that is compared to who, Jone, Kukkonen, Coburn, Alberts, Sbisa???? Isnt really saying much.
Meh, he's played like a No.3 since he's been here which is what we need. Do I wish he was making less? Of course, but considering a lot of the other D contracts around the league, I can live with it.

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03-01-2009, 01:22 PM
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If THIS is true, then my apologies to Sonny, as it would be an over-reaction.
Eh, that's unnecessary. I just don't believe a thing about Downie until I know as much as possible. If this really is the case I'm not surprised. I'll still wait on the video though.

For as boneheaded as he can be sometimes far too many people react the same way over anything he does. If he took a dump in his wallet to get some revenge on a pick pocket it would go from absolutely hilarious to absolutely villainous when people found out. He's certainly in middle of the circus but there's more than enough hands supporting the tent.

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03-01-2009, 01:27 PM
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Dude ... posts like this quit being funny in 2007. Try something original.

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Dude ... posts like this quit being funny in 2007. Try something original.
I didn't know they were ever funny.

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I didn't know they were ever funny.
Plus it's the AHL. Not many cameras...

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Plus it's the AHL. Not many cameras...
Or people watching.

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For GKJ, the future GM and head scout of the Flyers...

1997 Draft

The Stars drafted Brendan Morrow in the 25th round. (I trust I don't need to post his stats, we all know who he is and the player he is)

Your Los Angeles Kings selected, in the 15th round...(you saw that, right? 15th round. That's 10 rounds ahead of 25 btw...) Matt Zultek.

Huh? Matt Zultek? Who the hell is Matt Zultek???


Let me share the info I pulled up...

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=25867
overall I think you mean.
I think every team makes a bad pick.
How about Calgary taking Trevor Kidd 11th overall in 1990. The Devils got Brodeur 10 picks later.
Scott Scissons,Scott Allison, Shawn Antoski were all taken ahead of Brodeur as well.

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Statement from the Hershey Bears' about the incident:


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With the BEARS leading 5-4, Chris Bourque was tackled from behind as he tried to shoot into the empty net, and was credited with his 15th goal at 19:46 although the puck never entered the net. HERSHEY took a 6-4 lead on the goal and essentially clinched the victory. Norfolk forward Steve Downie then returned to center ice for the face-off and slashed linesman Mike Hamilton across the right shin. Referee Jeff Smith assessed a game misconduct on Downie for physical abuse of officials under ruler 41.2 category one. The ruling calls for an automatic 20-game suspension. Norfolk has just 21 games remaining.
Hmmm... a slash on the shin?

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03-01-2009, 03:47 PM
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Carle did have a very good game vs. Montreal, there are also games where he makes dumb plays like the tape-to-tape pass to Malkin last week. He has his moments, he is far less consistent than you're painting him to be. When it comes down to it, I'll take him over Jones, Eminger, Kukkonen, etc, but we can still do better.
Carter had a perfect pass to Ovy the other night...

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03-01-2009, 03:53 PM
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Uh oooh... sounds like a reputation punishment (http://blogs.tampabay.com/lightning/...spends-do.html)

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Downie was written up for abuse of an official after a determination Downie slashed an official with 14 seconds left in the third period. But Norfolk GM Mike Butters said Downie was trying to swipe at the stick of a Hershey player on a faceoff. He added that even if Downie's stick hit the official's skate (and Butters said that after watching the video "70 times in slow motion, stop frame" he still is not sure that happened), it was unintentional.

"I am absolutely sure," Butters said Sunday, "there was no intent whatsoever for any aggressive actions toward the official."
Man, that sucks. I hope the league reconsiders.

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03-01-2009, 04:01 PM
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Obviously it was unitentional.
He would never do anything controversal.

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Who would hire professor chaos as GM?

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Carter had a perfect pass to Ovy the other night...
That he did.


However, Carter is not a defenseman.

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Yet another example that Holmgren knows what he's doing and most people on HF don't.
One of the Flyers' best players missed Sunday's game and is in the AHL because of horrible cap management.

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I actually used it to rip a bad draft pick.

Guys we could have had:

Tuukka Rask/Ondrej Pavelec (satisfies our need for a 'blue chip' goaltender according to some)

TJ Oshie (he's good)

Matt Niskanen (we could use him)

Marc-Eduoard Vlasic (we could use him)

Paul Stastny (he's not too bad)
Hindsight is always 20/20. Clarke took a chance on a physical winger to add to the mix of skill players that he drafted. It didn't work. Big deal, time to move on. The Flyers moved down because the player they wanted was drafted (common belief was that the player/s they wanted were Ryan Parent or Jakub Kindl). They traded down as a result and ended up acquiring a 2nd round pick in the draft the following year that they ended up taking Andreas Nodl with. Not a bad deal when you think of it and the Flyers ended up with their guy in the end.

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That he did.


However, Carter is not a defenseman.
Certainly played it just like he was...behind the net and everything.

The point is -- don't use the double standard. Every player makes mistakes. I like Carle but I realize he is not a quick skater at all, nor is he an overly physical defenseman. But I do call it like I see it. He has put up enough ES points to do his job and has finally gelled with Coburn, which took FOREVER.

Now your seeing a confident Carle and a much better looking Coburn.

If Pronger or JBo becomes available, and the other team wants Carle...I'll pack the dudes bags for him. Just so you don't think I'm biased or anything

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03-01-2009, 05:58 PM
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Certainly played it just like he was...behind the net and everything.

The point is -- don't use the double standard. Every player makes mistakes. I like Carle but I realize he is not a quick skater at all, nor is he an overly physical defenseman. But I do call it like I see it. He has put up enough ES points to do his job and has finally gelled with Coburn, which took FOREVER.

Now your seeing a confident Carle and a much better looking Coburn.

If Pronger or JBo becomes available, and the other team wants Carle...I'll pack the dudes bags for him. Just so you don't think I'm biased or anything
If you want to talk about Carter's mistakes we can. His play didn't even come up in the thread. Why don't we talk about Hartnell, Richards, Chris Gratton, Ron Hextall, and Kerry Huffman too?

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If you want to talk about Carter's mistakes we can. His play didn't even come up in the thread. Why don't we talk about Hartnell, Richards, Chris Gratton, Ron Hextall, and Kerry Huffman too?
I was just disagreeing with your point about his consistency...I think he has been more consistent than you think, personally.

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If Downie intentionally slashed a referee, he deserves more than the mandatory 20 game suspension. Whether he did or didn't abuse on official isn't even the issue; grey area incidents are going to fall on the negative side for this guy for the rest of his career.

I'm happy that the Flyers or the fans don't have to worry about the baggage he comes with. Honestly, good riddance.

I do hope Downie gets his head together because he can be an impact player. It's a shame he hasn't matured enough to secure a place at the NHL level.

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Certainly played it just like he was...behind the net and everything.

The point is -- don't use the double standard. Every player makes mistakes. I like Carle but I realize he is not a quick skater at all, nor is he an overly physical defenseman. But I do call it like I see it. He has put up enough ES points to do his job and has finally gelled with Coburn, which took FOREVER.

Now your seeing a confident Carle and a much better looking Coburn.

If Pronger or JBo becomes available, and the other team wants Carle...I'll pack the dudes bags for him. Just so you don't think I'm biased or anything
They just got made to look absolutely IDIOTIC against Pittsburgh and were -2 today. I'd hardly say we can call that pairing a gelled success...they still shouldn't be playing together.

Matt Carle is also getting 3.5M to be a defenseman...who doesn't get 1st unit PP minutes for this club, and we don't put out there in shorthanded situations.

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http://www.theahl.com/headlines/inde...rticle_id=9604





The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Nice pick, Clarkie.
The Sharks took Vlasic a few picks down. Downie was a third round pick. Just terrible....

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The Sharks took Vlasic a few picks down
Well, then I suppose the Sharks are in a pickle.

Oh, god, I'm so lonely. ;_;

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