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Hes a lot better and can do more than Ohlund can between now and July 1st
Because you want to get something for Bouwmeester not only going forward, but this season as well. The point is that as part of the package, Ohlund makes sense. He provides value to the Panthers for the rest of this year and into the playoffs potentially. I would imagine that Raymond and/or Grabner would be included. Also, the cancuks and panthers may have to offer compensatory pieces should Ohlund and/or JBo fail to resign.
Hm, well I didn't really expect the Canucks to do anything this year but since McKenzie is a decent source of information...
I definitely think Bouwmeester will go West. I think that the Panthers are going to push hard for a playoff spot, so they'll want to minimize the possibility of facing Bouwmeester in the playoffs. That said, Philly could offer a better package, but will they? Their cap situation is a bit problematic, to say the least.
Last year, Campbell returned Steve Bernier and a 1st. We won't see that this year because Bernier can't be traded. Bouwmeester is an upgrade over that, so you have a 1st round pick, a young forward, and possibly a defenseman going back as a replacement, so the most I can see Vancouver giving up is Raymond, O'Brien, and a 1st. Which is going to be laughed at by everybody. I'm sure that neither Bieksa or Edler will be offered up, as they're still signed for a few more seasons. Ohlund is another possibility, of course.
With that said, Florida probably won't move Bouwmeester, and if they do, I wouldn't be surprised if people here thought that they got too little in return.
If you are going to suggest that Bouwmeester is only going to garner a marginal return because the San Jose only had to trade Steve Bernier and 1st for Brian Campbell, then I think you are using some very silly logic. Each trade is a unique situation.
I could equally counter this suggestion by pointing out that Nashville traded Scottie Upshall, Ryan Parent, a 1st and a 3rd for 21 games of a duct-taped together Peter Forsberg.
If that were offered we'd better give up more in terms of assets then because Florida would be pretty naive to acquire just O'Brien, Raymond and a 1st. We'd probably have to package it with Hansen/White, a 2nd/3rd and a conditional 1st round pick.
I imagine the asking price would be much, much more than a package of Raymond and O'Brien. If a trade happens, the names of Demitra, Edler, or Bieksa are going to be involved.
I imagine the asking price would be much, much more than a package of Raymond and O'Brien. If a trade happens, the names of Demitra, Edler, or Bieksa are going to be involved.
Demitra = 0 chance
Fla would want some one suited for the playoffs..he is not..he's not that big a producer in the post season.
Demitra vocally expressed his desire to play for Vancouver prior to him signing. He has been pretty adamant about him playing here ..i dont see us moving him.
Ohlund Raymond make sense as far as im concerned. The only forwards i see FLA wanting would be Kesler and maybe Burrows...but they are pretty untouchable.
Didn't Ohlund say he has no intention of resigning with Vancouver?
Maybe he's the D-man who will be packaged with Raymond and picks
no... he never said that. He said that he wouldn't stay in Vancouver just because he's been here for the past 11 years... he wants to be here if the team wants him here.
Basically, cut through the bs, and Ohlund would love to stay in Vancouver if he got a good contract reflective of playing a big role in Vancouver... however, he's being passed on the depth chart and his salary demands doesn't really fit with the canucks payroll anymore because he's being passed on the depth chart!
Ohlund knows he will get a substantially better offer on the market than he will in Vancouver.
He's also said he's not interested in being traded to a team right now if he's not going to sign longterm (obviously he wants to extend his contract now). With a NTC as well, it's more likely that he remains in Vancouver for the rest of the year, than get traded to another team.
I don't see the canucks having the type of package to land JBo from Florida right now. They are obviously in a playoff push and need players that can contribute now, and especially impact forwards to add to their team...
the canucks don't have any they can move. Raymond's value is marginal for any team looking for immediate impact - he doesn't really bring any immediate impact at all!
Another poster brought this up on the canucks board and it could make sense - this could just be Gillis' way of just making sure JBo knows the canucks are interested so when FA begins they have an offer that's heard before JBo signs with another team whether he's traded at the deadline or his rights traded in June.
IMO for Florida to give up JBo to Vancouver, Kesler would have to be going the other way... he's the type of young impact forward that can contribute now and still has future upside, that they'd be looking for. Personally, I don't think any team gives up such assets for a rental, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if that's Florida's price.
I don't see the canucks having the type of package to land JBo from Florida right now. They are obviously in a playoff push and need players that can contribute now, and especially impact forwards to add to their team...
the canucks don't have any they can move. Raymond's value is marginal for any team looking for immediate impact - he doesn't really bring any immediate impact at all!
Another poster brought this up on the canucks board and it could make sense - this could just be Gillis' way of just making sure JBo knows the canucks are interested so when FA begins they have an offer that's heard before JBo signs with another team whether he's traded at the deadline or his rights traded in June.
IMO for Florida to give up JBo to Vancouver, Kesler would have to be going the other way... he's the type of young impact forward that can contribute now and still has future upside, that they'd be looking for. Personally, I don't think any team gives up such assets for a rental, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if that's Florida's price.
meh your probably right... way to poop on our fantasy parade!
Maybe Martin doesnt want Bouwmeester to come back and bite them in the butt in the playoffs - hell they could end up playing each other in the first round.
Im more willing to give up Edler or Bieksa than Kesler. Losing Kesler means we lose one of our lines that can score with no guarantee that we can find somoene to fit in with SUndin and Demitra.
Absolutely NO to Kesler. I'd rather skip on Bouwmeester. Like NFiTO mentioned, and the media has repeatedly hinted; it seems like Bouwmeester is headed West anyways, and the Canucks have the money coming off the books to give him a great offer if they're that interested. We already have one of the premier bluelines in the league. Adding Bouwmeester would be a luxury, not a necessity in my opinion.
Absolutely NO to Kesler. I'd rather skip on Bouwmeester. Like NFiTO mentioned, and the media has repeatedly hinted; it seems like Bouwmeester is headed West anyways, and the Canucks have the money coming off the books to give him a great offer if they're that interested. We already have one of the premier bluelines in the league. Adding Bouwmeester would be a luxury, not a necessity in my opinion.
I think to win the cup it is a necessity to upgrade the mobility on our D. They get hemmed in too easily against great teams. I'm sure you can say that about many teams, but only one wins the cup.
