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03-04-2009, 11:06 AM
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and done... good call lol
Right after I posted that I saw the stickied thread about Leopold

Hey, if we can fleece Phoenix even half as bad as we did Colorado I'm all for it

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03-04-2009, 11:10 AM
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Because he'd rather have Cammy, in that scenario, and because he may think he can play Jokinen's value up and move him again in the summer.

I'm not saying I think that scenario is particularly likely, but it's not impossible and I don't think trading for Jokinen "means 100% that cammy is NOT going to sign with the flames", as you said. It would make it more complicated to keep him, but not impossible.
I agree 100%. Why can't most people think out of the box and see the different angles?
IF (big IF) Jokinen were to become a Flame. and Cammalleri can't agree to a contract in the offseason with Sutter, then this gives Sutter insurance, as he keeps Jokinen and lets Cammy walk.
BUT, if Sutter and the Flames agree on an extention, and the Flames can't fit everyone under the cap, Jokinen for a 1st on draft day is a possibility.
Also, is it possible to fit both under the cap?
I think it is, but Sutter will have to get creative in moving salary for picks this offseason. (Primeau, Vandermeer, Lombardi can be replaced by guys cheaper from the farm (benefits of having a deep farm of hardworking grinders), Aucoin and Bertuzzi are gone most likely (6M in cap space)).

Either way, all scenarios are possible. Acquiring a guy like Jokinen with one year left on his deal opens a lot of options.

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Because he'd rather have Cammy, in that scenario, and because he may think he can play Jokinen's value up and move him again in the summer.

I'm not saying I think that scenario is particularly likely, but it's not impossible and I don't think trading for Jokinen "means 100% that cammy is NOT going to sign with the flames", as you said. It would make it more complicated to keep him, but not impossible.
it would make things extremely complicated, especially with leopold being a ufa, and with boyd+moss+pardy being restricted. i just cant see the flames keeping both cammy at 5.5(conservative) and olli at 5.25. that's just to much salary for the flames to start out with next season.

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Well sportsnet has learned a 1st rounder is in the deal

Lamb + 1st + (enter prospect here) for joki.

if this happens it will be good deal for both

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I'm guessing that Acoin will be traded to make room for Jokinen? I'm guessing that the Hawks and the Habs must also be chatting to the Dogs as well.

Guessing the price may be fairly high.

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Well sportsnet has learned a 1st rounder is in the deal

Lamb + 1st + (enter prospect here) for joki.

if this happens it will be good deal for both
A 1st rounder is pretty much a guarantee. It's been reported since yesterday on the Flames message board (CP) that Calgary's 1st rounder is in play this year from a good source.

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Well sportsnet has learned a 1st rounder is in the deal

Lamb + 1st + (enter prospect here) for joki.

if this happens it will be good deal for both
Well, I guess Backlund is out. Just what Phoenix needs, more depth forwards and more draft picks. The perpetual re-build continues.

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Aucoin has a NTC and won't waive it to get traded to Phoenix.

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"Simple" Olli + Keenan + Iginla = Career year for Jokinen next year
You think he'll get close to 100 points?

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You think he'll get close to 100 points?
And why not?

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Well sportsnet has learned a 1st rounder is in the deal

Lamb + 1st + (enter prospect here) for joki.

if this happens it will be good deal for both
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A good source with knowledge of the dealings says the Flames-Coyotes are close to a deal on Jokinen. The source says the proposed deal would send Flames C Matt Lombardi and first-round pick to the Coyotes for Jokinen. Stay tuned!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3950511

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Proposal : 1st + Lombardi + Vandermeer!
Good for both teams. Sucks to lose Vandy for the run (potential run), and the draft will be REALLY boring for CGY this year, unless more trades are made the day of.

BUT, Cammelleri - Jokinen - Iginla will be sick to watch.


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And why not?
I just don't see it in him again, Iginla/Keenan or not.

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Aucoin has a NTC and won't waive it to get traded to Phoenix.
heh. I figure that he would have some interest to teams in the east. With Leopold on the roster now, even with the injuries they have, moving Acoin (sp?), might be more likely...?

That said, I forgot that he had the NTC. How will the Flames fit 5.5 onto their roster?

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1st + Lombardi + Vandermeer!
Good for both teams. Sucks to lose Vandy for the run (potential run), and the draft will be REALLY boring for CGY this year, unless more trades are made the day of.

BUT, Cammelleri - Jokinen - Iginla will be sick to watch.
Is this a proposal? Or the deal? If you're going to post proposals, please make an indication.

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Jokinen to the Flames would suck for Vancouver.

Jokinen would have a career year with Iggy on his wing

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1st + Lombardi + Aucoin..

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Dreger is speculating it's Lombardi and 1st if the deal goes through....

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If I was Bob Gainey, I'd be calling Calgary to see if we can get Aucoin to help their cap situation...

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1st + Lombardi + Aucoin..
If this is speculation...SAY SO! If this is a proposal...SAY SO!

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1st + Lombardi + Aucoin..
Only way trade gets done because Olli takes a big chunk ok the cap.

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Aucoin has a NTC and won't waive it to get traded to Phoenix.
Phoenix has NO INTEREST in taking back that much of a cap hit.. So, what about a 3-way trade? Or Aucoin could be traded right after.. If he's promised to be dealt to a contender, he may waive it.

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If this is speculation...SAY SO! If this is a proposal...SAY SO!
It's what the "TRADE BREAKERS" on TSN are speculating.

Dreger seemed pretty sure that Lombardi and a 1st was in the deal.. they weren't sure about the other piece yet to make the cap work. They need to add about $3.5M+ of annual salary to make the trade work.

Looking at that, it'd be;

Cory Sarich
Adrian Aucoin
Jim Vandemeer + Curtis Glencross

Phoenix is going to be most interested in Aucoin as they could flip him and get another good return.

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Jokinen to the Flames would suck for Vancouver.

Jokinen would have a career year with Iggy on his wing
Like how he was supposed to light it up with Doan?

Still not sold on him, but we'll see.

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Done Deal lombardi prust and a 1st

According to TSN

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