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Upshall-Carcillo Discussion; UPDATE (post #862) McLaren trade is nullified

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The pressure on Briere increases.

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sucks we had to give a 2nd. but when carcillo is signed and upshall isnt what do u expect.

not a bad trade, but honestly id rather dump lupul

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So my thoughts.

I really, really like Scottie. I think Carcillo for Scottie is a lateral move at best. To be fair to Carcillo, I think he might be a little bit of a better goalscorer than he's shown this year, his shooting percentage is like 3.2% after being 12% last year.

I guess Carcillo gives us some snarl in our top-9 too and we get probably 1 mill in cap space for next year.

So Upshall for Carcillo I can at least live with although I don't like it much. The fact that the 2nd is in there though kills me.

I don't want to say it's a horrible move, but it's pretty bad. I can see the rationale for it, but I don't agree with it at all.

The McLaren one isn't bad, he'll be in the AHL, but it gives us depth.

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Carcillo and Avery have any history?

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Im gonna cry in my corner now... first Ossi.. then Upshall.. Giroux is screwed. All my favorite players... GONE

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Sorry to see Upshall go but I don't mind the move.

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Carcillo and Avery have any history?
They will soon.

I think he did beat Kaletta though which is good.

I dunno, Gretzky hated him for taking undisciplined penalties, so I guess he should fit right in.

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Hate to lose Upshall to get him, but we are going to love Carcillo.

Like the rest of you, don't understand why we had to throw in a second.

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Oh hey, it's finally back up.

This was such a stupid trade, I can't help but be disgusted. Seriously, Upshall AND a 2nd for a 4th line goon? What the hell was Holmgren thinking? He's not even going to play in the playoffs, is he?

*sigh* Sometimes the best move is no move at all. Upshall-Giroux-Briere would have been a nice line to watch.

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I liked Upshall, but I think we're going to like Carcillo even more. I think all things considered, Carcillo is a better player cap-wise, I didn't think Scottie was coming back next season. The part that pisses me off is the 2nd rounder. That means that the Flyers don't have a 2nd round pick until I'm a freshman in college.

As for McLaren, not exaggerating, I'd rather have that 6th round pick to use it on some wild card flashy Swede.

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Hmm... I love the deal, and I also can't wait to see the Numbers Carcillo puts up now that he has real playmakers and goal scorers on the team. I don't like the 2nd rounder right now, but if he plays anything like he did last year and at some points this year, and even does better which I think he will in our system it might not even matter. He is definitely one of my favorite players in the league that I had wished was on our team.

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Did everyone else have trouble getting on to this website all day long and have it drive them absolutely insane?

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So my thoughts.

I really, really like Scottie. I think Carcillo for Scottie is a lateral move at best. To be fair to Carcillo, I think he might be a little bit of a better goalscorer than he's shown this year, his shooting percentage is like 3.2% after being 12% last year.

I guess Carcillo gives us some snarl in our top-9 too and we get probably 1 mill in cap space for next year.

So Upshall for Carcillo I can at least live with although I don't like it much. The fact that the 2nd is in there though kills me.

I don't want to say it's a horrible move, but it's pretty bad. I can see the rationale for it, but I don't agree with it at all.

The McLaren one isn't bad, he'll be in the AHL, but it gives us depth.
I agree pretty much with what you said. The second rounder sucks, but it is a 2011 pick. Gives us time to make up for it. A lot of people are going to be upset tho. Upshall was a fan favorite, altho nothing more than a fast 3rd liner. Carcillo will be loved too, tho, once Flyer fans see him play regularly.

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I have to say, it's tough to imagine Carcillo with Briere.

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BLAH. I'm gonna miss Scottie.

Carcillo should be interesting to watch. And he said the Flyers were his favorite team growing up, not surprising!

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I agree pretty much with what you said. The second rounder sucks, but it is a 2011 pick. Gives us time to make up for it. A lot of people are going to be upset tho. Upshall was a fan favorite, altho nothing more than a fast 3rd liner. Carcillo will be loved too, tho, once Flyer fans see him play regularly.
My issue is more that while we're certainly a young team and have some nice young players, we are giving away 2nds and 3rds and 4ths like free popcorn.

I mean, you might not get a good player, but barring a fairly unlikely miracle, the Flyers cupboard is going to be pretty bare in a couple years.

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Oh hey, it's finally back up.

This was such a stupid trade, I can't help but be disgusted. Seriously, Upshall AND a 2nd for a 4th line goon? What the hell was Holmgren thinking? He's not even going to play in the playoffs, is he?

*sigh* Sometimes the best move is no move at all. Upshall-Giroux-Briere would have been a nice line to watch.
He's no goon. He fights a lot, but he can actually play hockey. You'll see.

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Carcillo and Avery have any history?
None. They've only played in one game against each other, where Avery just kind of skated away and let Ott fight his battles for him.

The only other time they could have played in the same game, Avery was hurt.

You guys will love Carcillo. I don't think there's a more perfect team for him to play for.

Any more info on Upshall you guys can give?

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I think HF exploded from all the people trying to visit.
For once, it wasn't the Habs fans.

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I think HF exploded from all the people trying to visit.
Yeah, don't get me wrong and HF, please don't ban me for saying this!

But if I were a sponsor, I'd be a tad annoyed right now.

EDIT: Eh, on 2nd thought maybe not cause HF is such a great website and is probably tough to maintain.

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So.. who plays on the 3rd line with Briere and Giroux now... please dont say Car.. That wont work at all.. Then Asham? please.. I say they try Powe or even Ross.

Ross is small but the kid can play.

Ross-Briere-Giroux. Small as hell, but fast as shyt

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So.. who plays on the 3rd line with Briere and Giroux now... please dont say Car.. That wont work at all.. Then Asham? please.. I say they try Powe or even Ross.

Ross is small but the kid can play.

Ross-Briere-Giroux. Small as hell, but fast as shyt
It'll be Carcillo to be honest with you. I'm split on that cause I'm not sure how Carcillo is at passing/scoring, but at least he should stop people if anyone wants to mess with Danny.

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I really don't like this trade. Why do we need the league leader in penalty minutes? I'm pretty sure we've got penalty minutes pretty well covered already. I haven't watched Carcillo play too much but I think Upshall is the better player which makes the 2nd rounder really kill me since it feels like we are giving them something extra even though we got worse.

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