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08-22-2004, 09:21 PM
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5 pages?

Why is there 5 pages for Chad Wiseman? What is so special about him

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08-22-2004, 09:46 PM
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4 1/2 pages of useless bickering.

and i read every post...

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08-22-2004, 10:01 PM
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4 1/2 pages of useless bickering.

and i read every post...
Don't bang your head against the wall, Fotiu22.

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08-23-2004, 08:38 AM
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Um...you couldn't be more wrong. Chad was drafted by San Jose in 2000, and played in the org for 2 years, 2001-02 and 2002-03. Last season was his third and the last year of his entry level contract. That is why he was up for re-signing.
Exactly. He has 3 years of experience compared to 45 games for Moore.

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08-23-2004, 08:56 AM
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08-23-2004, 10:09 AM
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"Exactly. He has 3 years of experience compared to 45 games for Moore."

Means nothing. Moore being soft, horrible in the corners and horrific defensively has nothing to do with experience. Wiseman is a much better player. Period.

I don't know why people here can't accept that.

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08-23-2004, 10:17 AM
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Exactly. He has 3 years of experience compared to 45 games for Moore.
Where are you getting 45 from? Moore played 70 games with the Pack.

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08-23-2004, 10:18 AM
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"Exactly. He has 3 years of experience compared to 45 games for Moore."

Means nothing. Moore being soft, horrible in the corners and horrific defensively has nothing to do with experience. Wiseman is a much better player. Period.

I don't know why people here can't accept that.
Maybe because people have their opinions.

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08-23-2004, 10:33 AM
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"Exactly. He has 3 years of experience compared to 45 games for Moore."

Means nothing. Moore being soft, horrible in the corners and horrific defensively has nothing to do with experience. Wiseman is a much better player. Period.

I don't know why people here can't accept that.
Moore is horrible defensivly? The guy is one of the best 2-way fowards to come out of college the last few years, and if he was as bad as you seem to think he was maybe something was wrong? I mean, for all of this crying for a rebuild you are ready to write off a 23-24 year old prospect after 70 AHL games?

And Wisemans experience over Moore does mean something, ALOT. When a player enters a new league they need time to adjust.

Why else are prospects given a grace period when they leave juniors and college and go to the AHL and then again in there first few games in the NHL? Because they need to adjust.


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08-23-2004, 11:44 AM
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I could care less about Moore's defense in college. Against the big boys in the AHL he was useless. Nobody is writing him off but I'm sure not going to sit there and say he's better then Wiseman who is a much more complete hockey player.

Stop using that shaking head garbage also. You say that you're a big Poti supporter. I think that would bring you 100 shake head smiles from this board. You seem to be a big supporter of poor defensive, offensive types Barnaby. We haven't won and will never win with a lot of those.

I wouldn't trade Poti for an enforcer but I also realize that unless the guy is going to be a 50 point, clutch offensive defenseman there isn't much point in keeping him. He is so bad defensively that he would have to get 50 point every year and really make a quite a few clutch offensive plays.

Moore and Lundmark both are soft along the boards. Both are bad defensively and both don't have a ton of offensive skill. Lundmark and Moore are both vastly overrated by this board. It speaks volumes that Ortmeyer was 10 times more valuable to our team then Lundmark was. I suspect Wiseman will be a similar player with a little more offense and little less defense to Ortmeyer.


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08-23-2004, 01:15 PM
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I could care less about Moore's defense in college. Against the big boys in the AHL he was useless. Nobody is writing him off but I'm sure not going to sit there and say he's better then Wiseman who is a much more complete hockey player.

Stop using that shaking head garbage also. You say that you're a big Poti supporter. I think that would bring you 100 shake head smiles from this board. You seem to be a big supporter of poor defensive, offensive types Barnaby. We haven't won and will never win with a lot of those.

I wouldn't trade Poti for an enforcer but I also realize that unless the guy is going to be a 50 point, clutch offensive defenseman there isn't much point in keeping him. He is so bad defensively that he would have to get 50 point every year and really make a quite a few clutch offensive plays.

Moore and Lundmark both are soft along the boards. Both are bad defensively and both don't have a ton of offensive skill. Lundmark and Moore are both vastly overrated by this board. It speaks volumes that Ortmeyer was 10 times more valuable to our team then Lundmark was. I suspect Wiseman will be a similar player with a little more offense and little less defense to Ortmeyer.

Everyone has their opinions, no matter how much they seem illogical to the other person. I respect you for taking the minority opinion in the thread as well.

I think we both can agree on hoping Wiseman, Moore and Lundmark all reach their potential.

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08-23-2004, 01:41 PM
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I suspect Wiseman will be a similar player with a little more offense and little less defense to Ortmeyer.
While Ortmeyer is no big time prospect, Wiseman has NO shot of giving what Ortmeyer gave to this team. Ortmeyer's defense, hustle, and checking should not be compared with Chad Wiseman. Once again, have you seen Ranger hockey lately? Wiseman is offensive. He is one dimensional and at times pops out of nowhere to create offense. Thats his bread and butter. I dont see Wiseman bringing at all what Ortmeyer did.

And all my ranting for a 26 year old, third liner in Ortmeyer. The obsession with Wisemans gotta stop, lol.

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08-23-2004, 04:50 PM
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At this point I think it is amazing we have this many post on Wiseman. I vote we keep going till they play hockey. How amazing would it be to talk about the future NHL star Chad Wiseman till hockey starts?

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08-23-2004, 05:18 PM
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Actually, I don't really understand the whole thing about Moore, either. I thought he played pretty well offensively and defensively from what I heard while listening to the games. I always listen to the pre-game and post-game shows, as well. Bob Crawford is very informative, and I trust his opinions and views on players.



(But Fotiu22 is right...there is a lot of bickering going on now. Unfortunately, this thread got way off topic, and I think it should be closed already.)

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08-23-2004, 05:38 PM
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I didn't see Moore as much as I would have liked but he was lousy when I did seem him. He stunk in the playoffs.

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Truce. I'm out, lol. What can we talk about next. After 2 months of no hockey due to lockout, I vote to bring this thread up again. It sure passed time, haha.

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08-25-2004, 07:38 AM
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I will not let this post die. Especially when we all know Wiseman will be better then Moore.

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08-25-2004, 08:17 AM
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I just cannot believe it. This many pages on what is essentially a pair of fringe 4th liners, who can work real hard and become 3rd liners?

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Funny that a system which had no grinder prospects now has so many that some will be released or packaged over the next couple years.

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There is no way we can let this thread move down

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