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03-05-2009, 08:06 AM
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We didn't trade Upshall and a 2nd to play Carcillo on the 4th line

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03-05-2009, 08:59 AM
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Gagne-Richards-Knuble
Hartnell-Carter-Lupul
Powe-Briere-Giroux
Carcillo-Ross-Asham
Me likie!!!!

There simply is no reason to dress Cote anymore, esp. as the playoffs near and the fighting wanes.

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03-05-2009, 09:02 AM
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We didn't trade Upshall and a 2nd to play Carcillo on the 4th line
He sure as hell wont put up points and such,even playing with Briere and Giroux

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03-05-2009, 09:09 AM
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He sure as hell wont put up points and such,even playing with Briere and Giroux
Why not?

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plus I am just really sad... I was a big Uppy fan

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03-05-2009, 09:13 AM
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He sure as hell wont put up points and such,even playing with Briere and Giroux
Sounds to me like 90% of people here have never seen the guy play. I'm not saying he's going to chip in as much as Upshall could/would, but Carcillo is skilled and potted 13 last year. We'll see how it works but lets not overreact.

Also, i think Upshall's production here is a bit of a myth. I flat out loved him (avatar all season) but even if Carcillo puts up 20 points next year its not like we would be losing much in that respect

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03-05-2009, 09:15 AM
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Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. Save judgement till you get to see him play yourself. Besides...when have the Yotes fans ever seen him play with Briere &Giroux?

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03-05-2009, 09:23 AM
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He sure as hell wont put up points and such,even playing with Briere and Giroux
I was/am a fan of Upshall, but he wasn't exactly putting up many points this season either.

Carcillo will put up points.

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03-05-2009, 09:24 AM
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Heh Im just pissed, thats all (And I ussually am not). Im not a fan of the guy that takes stupid penalties.. that has POTENIAL, of being good. I guess Im just thinking different then everyone else.

I guess I just see him as a Arron Asham.

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03-05-2009, 09:48 AM
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Stevens like to make his lines into three man groups where each has a specific role. The three roles are the crease guy, the shooter and the set-up guy.

The first line this is easy to see with Knuble screening goalies and basically standing in front of or in the crease, Gags shooting and Richie setting both up.

I like this concept but somehow hit isn't really working out, mostly because we didn't have a third crease guy beside Knuble and Hartnell. The questions is whether Carcillo can fill that role.

I'd also like to change up the Carter line because Lupul is more of a shooter than a set-up guy and to be honest, the line has been quite cold recently. I think putting Giroux on Carter's wing could make some Magic happen.

Further I'd replace Richards with Brière on the top line. While this line is working out quite well, I think Richie would have an easier time making things happen with Carcillo and Lupul than Brière will.

I would make the lines the following:
Gagné - Brière - Knuble
Hartnell - Carter - Giroux
Carcillo - Richards - Lupul
Cote - Powe - Asham


this is what i was thinking... each of the top 3 lines gets a goal scorer, a set up guy, and a little bit of grit. Richards will still get his 20-22 minutes a game, plus he will definitely bring out more production in lupul and carcillo....

edit: realized i just copied everything you said....i didnt read your post, i just saw the lines you had....


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03-05-2009, 09:59 AM
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Heh Im just pissed, thats all (And I ussually am not). Im not a fan of the guy that takes stupid penalties.. that has POTENIAL, of being good. I guess Im just thinking different then everyone else.

I guess I just see him as a Arron Asham.

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man, you must hate knuble and hartnell then

i don't understand why people want to put knuble with gagne and briere. we've already seen that that line doesn't work.

i'd be curious to try the gagne-richards-briere line again. it seemed to work earlier in the year and now that we have decent production from the rest of the lineup, might be worth giving a shake. would probably screw up giroux's line though...

carcillo-giroux-knuble? could be a disaster...

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03-05-2009, 10:05 AM
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man, you must hate knuble and hartnell then

i don't understand why people want to put knuble with gagne and briere. we've already seen that that line doesn't work.

i'd be curious to try the gagne-richards-briere line again. it seemed to work earlier in the year and now that we have decent production from the rest of the lineup, might be worth giving a shake. would probably screw up giroux's line though...

carcillo-giroux-knuble? could be a disaster...
But hey Knuble and Hartnell do put up points .
And for Car-Giroux-Knuble... I would feel bad for Giroux...

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03-05-2009, 10:07 AM
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Id like to see Ross called up and Cote sent down. We have two fwds to fight and a dman Ross brings more hockey ability then Cote and Ross and Powe remind me of Upshall

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man, you must hate knuble and hartnell then

i don't understand why people want to put knuble with gagne and briere. we've already seen that that line doesn't work.

i'd be curious to try the gagne-richards-briere line again. it seemed to work earlier in the year and now that we have decent production from the rest of the lineup, might be worth giving a shake. would probably screw up giroux's line though...

carcillo-giroux-knuble? could be a disaster...
when? theyve barely been able to be in the same line-up the last 2 years with the injuries...

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03-05-2009, 01:04 PM
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I hope, he's worthless.
. sometimes he can fight when needed, and usually loose. but other than that pretty much!

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03-05-2009, 01:44 PM
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when? theyve barely been able to be in the same line-up the last 2 years with the injuries...
last year, at the season's start, briere and gagne were tearing it up and knuble was holding them back. sure, it was a small sample size, but it definitely demonstrated that they're vastly different players and don't compliment each other very well.

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I love Noobsie, but this is his last season as a Flyer. It's a shame because he really fits a needed role, adds that veteran leadership, and is the among the most likable people possible. I'm going to be sad to see his days as a Flyer end. That said, he'll be 37, and the money he'd get would be better spent elsewhere. If he can get a good deal from another team, more power to him -- he should go get it (ala Dawkins). He'll always remain a Flyer.
And if we win the cup? the playoffs havnt started yet and were out already? Then is nitty or biron good enough? Lets not assume anything. Leave this kind of talk for the offseason.

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I'm not looking forward to saddling Carter or Richards with Carcillo when Briere can't find chemistry with him.

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I think he could score quite a few goals on a line with those two. The general consensus with in the organization was that he had the potential to be a 20-30 goal scorer, I'm not quite sure they have the same opinion anymore. Most of his PIMs are from fights and misconducts, but sometimes he'll take some stupid minors. His tendency to let his emotions control him are what I think got him on the trade block.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=614249&page=11

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I'm not looking forward to saddling Carter or Richards with Carcillo when Briere can't find chemistry with him.
my biggest fear with Carcillo is that he just turns into a 4th line grunt. i'm hoping he has a similar amount of offensive upside compared to scottie, while bringing even more of a physical presence.

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i think it's funny that he said he was claude and danny's bodyguard

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Id try Carcillo with briere and giroux for a few games...if hes having a hard time id wave cote, move carcillo down to the 4th line and let him be the enforcer...then have skilled guy like ross play with briere and giroux. carcillo, powe, asham would be a hell of a 4th line.

Regardless...I think every game they should start with a Carcillo-Richards-Hartnell line...ya know...to send a message .

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Id try Carcillo with briere and giroux for a few games...if hes having a hard time id wave cote, move carcillo down to the 4th line and let him be the enforcer...then have skilled guy like ross play with briere and giroux. carcillo, powe, asham would be a hell of a 4th line.

Regardless...I think every game they should start with a Carcillo-Richards-Hartnell line...ya know...to send a message .
And just for kicks, have Cote and Asham playing back on defense on that first shift.

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03-05-2009, 06:26 PM
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This is ridiculous, all the comparisons are, quite simply. Just look at who Carcillo played with all year and you'll have your answer. Not to mention he was in Gretzky's doghouse, probably for not playing like a fairy.

He's gonna be playing with Briere and Giroux, both of whom are extremely talented offensively... His production will go up, no doubt. I'm sure it will easily reach Upshall's production. I could see him becoming one of Stevens' favorites too, from what Ive seen, the guy is an extremely hard worker. Sure, he can take dumb penalties here and there but that can be worked on.

edit: How dumb can his penalties get? Remember we have this guy named Hartnell. And Upshall had a knack to get crappy penalties too....

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03-05-2009, 06:36 PM
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It's too bad.. Upshall and Giroux both being very fast and hard working.. i really thought Upshall-Giroux-Briere line could be awesome.

Realistically, Carcillo-Giroux-Briere will not be as good as Upshall-Giroux-Briere would have been.

Disappointing trade, IMHO.

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