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03-05-2009, 10:46 PM
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try to keep it one thread guys, there are atleast three threads on the first page about the same thing.

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03-05-2009, 10:48 PM
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There is talk here in Vancouver that they will both get at least 5 mil a season.
That is minimum 10 million for a #2 line.
I think they're worth more than 5m each a year. These guys have been consistent and great for Vancouver after being said they would never be anything more then second liners.
Calling these guys second liners is a complete joke.


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03-05-2009, 10:57 PM
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Unless an UFA veteran is brought in with tons of experience, I don't see any of the player on the current roster that can fill in the leadership void left by Koivu should he leave this summer.

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03-05-2009, 11:12 PM
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There is talk here in Vancouver that they will both get at least 5 mil a season.
That is minimum 10 million for a #2 line.
second liners? gimme a break they are in the top 50 scorers since the lockout and there is 90 first line players in the league so how about just admitting you know nothing about the Sedins.


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03-05-2009, 11:19 PM
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We have a lot of roster spots to fill and need to really get some quality to play with those under contract right now.

There will be 12.5 + million left with Kovalev/Lang/Dandenault/Bouillon/Cullimore/Salmelainen off the books.

Sign the Sedins, seriously.

Koivu and Tanguay can be had for a hometown discount, there is no need to keep their salary at par.

RFA's Plekanec, Latendresse and Higgins do not deserve high raises.

Schneider could be kept for cheaper, and we promote kids from Hamilton and/or see Emelin come over on D.

Komisarek doesn't deserve a dollar over 4 million per.

Kids like MaxPac and D'Ago have earned a spot, Maxwell is close so there are cheap alternatives as well.

With Lappy playing how he has it look like Chipchura is out of here, he is now trade bait and quite tradeable at the draft more than likely to Edmonton or Calgary, seems to be their type of player.

I think the thing I hate the most Metropolit is on the books one more year for a million and that is Kostopolous's money...and he will get higher offers at 1.5-2.0 on the open market.

We need to make a splash and the Sedins are young, and they come together.

Vinnie is nice, but I hate the price to get him and the contract length and dollars.

If we have learned anything from the deadline is that high salaries are not wanted by teams, so this year to be a UFA maybe a bad one and draft picks and prospects are a high commodity and no one wants to part with them.

So to me we have all three, good prospects/young players, picks and a lot of cap space to get players.
I made this post in the Elliot Friedman thread, but I'd rather get Vinny and promote Pacioretty to a top 6 position (~$8.25M for both) than commit $12M in salary to the twins.

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03-05-2009, 11:24 PM
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I made this post in the Elliot Friedman thread, but I'd rather get Vinny and promote Pacioretty to a top 6 position (~$8.25M for both) than commit $12M in salary to the twins.
I really don't think Vinny is coming here, if he did what would the lineup look like?

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03-06-2009, 08:06 AM
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Some of you actually believe we will land Bouwmeester?

You guys find out where Ribs gets his stuff from or what?

My bet is again, no UFAs will come here.
I think that's a safe bet - no reason to think we'll have a chance at any top tier UFAs.

If we can get Beauchemin, I'll be happy.

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03-06-2009, 09:03 AM
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Jokinen already with 2 goals in the first... the line he forms with Cammaleri and Ignla looks scary!

And all it would have cost is something like Higgins-Chipchura/D'agostini and a first...
Pure speculation that Higgins, Dago and a 1st would have done it. And even if it had, it doesn't mean that Jokinen would be a good fit in Montreal.

Armchair GMs, a dime a dozen - especially in Montreal.

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03-06-2009, 09:12 AM
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No way Tanguay signs for less than 5. Look at players below him in terms or stats (Gomez, Drury, etc.) and see what they got on the open market. One guy in here wrote he shouldn`t be getting more than 3.5 million.

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03-06-2009, 09:25 AM
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I'm a habs fan all the way.... I've never stopped believing, but I'm so discouraged by everything that has happened lately, by Bob DOING NOTHING when almost al the other teams in the east moved, with the way the team is playing, with the media in Montreal, etc.... that I wont be surprised if Bob let's us down once again...
Hopefully, I will be proven wrong...

Until then, I guess we'll just have to drink to forget the deception of Bob's lack of mouvement!!
Huh?

He made as many moves as any team in the East. What we need is to get our players healthy and/or productive...Price Komi Higgins Tanguay A.Kost lats Gorges. Our problem is NOT who we got or didn't get it's having key guys out and key guys playing terrible.

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Unless an UFA veteran is brought in with tons of experience, I don't see any of the player on the current roster that can fill in the leadership void left by Koivu should he leave this summer.
Exagerrating a little?

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No way Tanguay signs for less than 5. Look at players below him in terms or stats (Gomez, Drury, etc.) and see what they got on the open market. One guy in here wrote he shouldn`t be getting more than 3.5 million.
I don't see Tanguay getting 5 million.

He doesn't have the pedigree of Gomez and Drury,key players on Stanley Cup winners. Plus the market will be much tougher on UFA's with the economy, lots of smaller markets will have lower payrolls than 2 years ago. There are also a lot of big traditional buyers that have no cap room to spend(Calgary NYR Boston Washington Detroit Phillie etc).

Depending on how he plays from here on in, I think you'll see Tanguay resign with us for 2 years at 9 mil, or maybe get 4.3-4.5 on a 3-4 year deal on the UFA market.

I'm not sold on him being a long term part of the future, but if we sign him now relatively cheap, we can trade him once his value goes up, we have a lot of good young wingers on the way and will need a #1 center.

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Jokinen already with 2 goals in the first... the line he forms with Cammaleri and Ignla looks scary!

And all it would have cost is something like Higgins-Chipchura/D'agostini and a first...

One of the reasons the Habs were not willing to pay for Jokinen is that he is not good with young players, not a good thing given our situation.

His test in Calgary will only begin once the playoffs start.


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03-06-2009, 09:43 AM
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I don't see Tanguay getting 5 million.
I don't think either... I think Gainey will be able to lock both Koivu and Tanguay for 2 or 3 years each to a combine number per year between 8 and 9 millions...

Enough to sign a great winger (like Hossa, even if I doubt he leaves Detroit or Gaborik) or make room for the inevitable Lecavalier rumors...

I highly doubt Kovalev will re-sign... even if he has wonderfull playoffs (alright, he might come back if he wins the Conn Smyth... but I highly doubt the habs will win it all with Carbonneau as a coach)

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03-06-2009, 10:08 AM
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The important thing is that the organization has the opportunity of changing the face of this team. Letting go and adding core players with different styles should be their philosophy with all these UFAs.

To many speedy and skilfully players, signed and drafted in the past and not enough diversity, IMO.

By the way, Timmins should take a look at Zach Kassian and stop taking the best player available to target specific needs; Hamilton and Montreal are stacked with BPA and need physical and mean guys.

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03-06-2009, 10:25 AM
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The important thing is that the organization has the opportunity of changing the face of this team. Letting go and adding core players with different styles should be their philosophy with all these UFAs.

To many speedy and skilfully players, signed and drafted in the past and not enough diversity, IMO.

By the way, Timmins should take a look at Zach Kassian and stop taking the best player available to target specific needs; Hamilton and Montreal are stacked with BPA and need physical and mean guys.
Yeah, great idea... let's get more Chipchuras, Bilodeaus, Stevensons in the 1st and 2nd rounds... that helped us a lot in the 90s...

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03-06-2009, 10:28 AM
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The important thing is that the organization has the opportunity of changing the face of this team. Letting go and adding core players with different styles should be their philosophy with all these UFAs.

To many speedy and skilfully players, signed and drafted in the past and not enough diversity, IMO.

By the way, Timmins should take a look at Zach Kassian and stop taking the best player available to target specific needs; Hamilton and Montreal are stacked with BPA and need physical and mean guys.
That's the mentality that led to the first round drafting of guys like Turner Stevenson, Terry Ryan, Matt Higgins and Jason Ward in the 90's.

This is not the NFL, where draftees are 23-24 years old and in their prime or close to it. Most NHL picks take at least 3-4 years to pan out. Drafting to fit an immediate need will usually only pay off if you have a top 5 pick. Even then, it's still probably not the best choice to make.

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03-06-2009, 10:29 AM
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Yeah, great idea... let's get more Chipchuras, Bilodeaus, Stevensons in the 1st and 2nd rounds... that helped us a lot in the 90s...
Let's not draft:

Carter, or Getzlaf, or Richards, or Lucic, when we had the opportunity...

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03-06-2009, 10:36 AM
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Let's not draft:

Carter, or Getzlaf, or Richards, or Lucic, when we had the opportunity...
I take Timmins batting average over any other head of scout development in the NHL...

Lucic... 29 other teams past on him (some twice), Carter, Richards and Getzlaf weren't as high as Kostistyn...

And the point being is that you chose the BPA, period.

Scouting isn't an exact science, but what is surely stupid is drafting the western beef, just for the sake of it...

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Let's not draft:

Carter, or Getzlaf, or Richards, or Lucic, when we had the opportunity...
If the Habs were drafting for a big and physical forward in 2003, odds are they would have picked Hugh Jessiman. Carter's big, but didn't have the physicality that Jessiman was supposed to have. That would have been so much better than Kostitsyn.

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Im not very optimistic with our so called prospect depth. May be some of them gonna be 2nd liners or 3rd liners, but we dont have any top prospects(Price..?). If we dont get any star players from UFA-market, we gonna be average team in our conference..for good.

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Pure speculation that Higgins, Dago and a 1st would have done it. And even if it had, it doesn't mean that Jokinen would be a good fit in Montreal.

Armchair GMs, a dime a dozen - especially in Montreal.
At least, I don't pretend to be anything else...

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I don't see Tanguay getting 5 million.

He doesn't have the pedigree of Gomez and Drury,key players on Stanley Cup winners.
Tanguay actually has the exact same pedigree as Drury, being a key player on a Cup winner. The exact same Cup winner, on the same line, in fact. Not to mention Tanguay being a better player than Drury, then and now. The fact that he gets it done with skill and smarts rather than with guts and "intangibles" doesn't make Tanguay any less effective, in the regular season or in the playoffs. Despite what the mainstream media would have you believe.

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Tanguay actually has the exact same pedigree as Drury, being a key player on a Cup winner. The exact same Cup winner, on the same line, in fact. Not to mention Tanguay being a better player than Drury, then and now. The fact that he gets it done with skill and smarts rather than with guts and "intangibles" doesn't make Tanguay any less effective, in the regular season or in the playoffs. Despite what the mainstream media would have you believe.
Exactly. Tanguay will fall inbetween 4.5 and 5.5. Probably closer to 5.5 considering 4.5 is what Connolly just got. Certainly worth bringing back he is still a young player, one of the better French Canadian wingers in the league, and if healthy next year (which he should be, he doesn't have an injury prone past) will be at the very least a 70 point player. Can't wait to have him back tonight.

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Im not very optimistic with our so called prospect depth. May be some of them gonna be 2nd liners or 3rd liners, but we dont have any top prospects(Price..?). If we dont get any star players from UFA-market, we gonna be average team in our conference..for good.
there's first line talent on our wings but no first line center on our team. it's possible i may be wrong since i haven't really studied this but my guess is there's not too many first line wingers who shine without a first line C.

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there's first line talent on our wings but no first line center on our team. it's possible i may be wrong since i haven't really studied this but my guess is there's not too many first line wingers who shine without a first line C.
Really? I can think of a ton of players who have shined with Koivu/Plekanec type centers.

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