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03-06-2009, 12:19 PM
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Rangers - Canadiens Comparison

As a Habs fan I find some interesting comparisons about these two teams have done to improve (or not). Both have been struggling of late. Even with 4 wins in a row Montreal has looked pretty bad, with only great games by Halak preventing 3 of those wins from being loses.
In my humble opinion 3 elements needed to be addressed by both of these teams: Coaching (our lets just say Motivation), Size up front especially at center, and another piece of the puzzle on Defense.
The Rangers addressed all 3 by obtaining Torts, Nik Antropov, and Derick Morris. The Habs addressed nothing. My guess is this will cost Bob Gainey his job in the off season and we could see Patrick Roy as the teams Coach and GM. It will be interesting to see the fortunes of these two teams over the coming weeks, My prediction is the Rangers do some damage in the playoffs and Montreal now misses the playoffs.

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As a Habs fan I find some interesting comparisons about these two teams have done to improve (or not). Both have been struggling of late. Even with 4 wins in a row Montreal has looked pretty bad, with only great games by Halak preventing 3 of those wins from being loses.
In my humble opinion 3 elements needed to be addressed by both of these teams: Coaching (our lets just say Motivation), Size up front especially at center, and another piece of the puzzle on Defense.
The Rangers addressed all 3 by obtaining Torts, Nik Antropov, and Derick Morris. The Habs addressed nothing. My guess is this will cost Bob Gainey his job in the off season and we could see Patrick Roy as the teams Coach and GM. It will be interesting to see the fortunes of these two teams over the coming weeks, My prediction is the Rangers do some damage in the playoffs and Montreal now misses the playoffs.
haha, that's a great one, yes lets get another rookie coach and gm, great idea! At least he's French though, that's what's important right?

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haha, that's a great one, yes lets get another rookie coach and gm, great idea! At least he's French though, that's what's important right?
I think that he would be in there already this season if not for the way the Remparts are playing. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. Just what is so bad about loading up on Quebec born players...it worked back in the day.

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I think that he would be in there already this season if not for the way the Remparts are playing. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. Just what is so bad about loading up on Quebec born players...it worked back in the day.
Yea if it worked once it must work again, I mean we are having so much success with local players right?

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I think the worst thing the Habs (Or any team) could do would be bring back an iconic player from past glory, anoint him as "The one to lead the team to glory" and then run him out of town on a rail if/when he fails.

Let them get experience in the minors for a year or three before you hand them the reins of the big club.

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As a Habs fan I find some interesting comparisons about these two teams have done to improve (or not). Both have been struggling of late. Even with 4 wins in a row Montreal has looked pretty bad, with only great games by Halak preventing 3 of those wins from being loses.
In my humble opinion 3 elements needed to be addressed by both of these teams: Coaching (our lets just say Motivation), Size up front especially at center, and another piece of the puzzle on Defense.
The Rangers addressed all 3 by obtaining Torts, Nik Antropov, and Derick Morris. The Habs addressed nothing. My guess is this will cost Bob Gainey his job in the off season and we could see Patrick Roy as the teams Coach and GM. It will be interesting to see the fortunes of these two teams over the coming weeks, My prediction is the Rangers do some damage in the playoffs and Montreal now misses the playoffs.
Lang >>> Antropov

Schneider did exactly what he was brought here to do. Resurrect the powerplay and bring experience and stability to the blueline.

Gainey can hardly be blamed for the Canadiens' game since the All-Stars. On paper (and healthy), the Habs could hope for a Cup. On the ice, their effort isn't there. Hamrlik is very average, Komisarek is having his worst season since being a rookie. Price and many young players are learning about commitment and self-control. As for Carbo, well, I'm starting to dislike him more and more but I've seen this many times with Vigneault, Therrien and Julien. Who were/are all successful with other teams after getting fired by the Habs. Personally, now that this 100th anniversary BS is done, I'd leave Carbo there for at least another season. I'm sick of the coaches taking all the blame instead of the players.

Seriously, this is the same **** that is being said every year when Gainey doesn't do something big. Have the Rangers been any more successful than the Habs with all their trades and big UFAs signing? And with the cap going down dramatically over the next 2 years, Rags fans are gonna cry looking at the Redden and Gomez contracts. Gainey stayed put at the TDL because he knew perfectly well that his team, even with another center and D, don't have what it takes to go all the way. Why compromise the future, then?

And **** about Roy being a GM with only junior experience.

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I don't even want to imagine the media ****storm, especially the french media ****storm, that will happen if Montreal misses the playoffs.


Some drunk lunatic might actually hunt down and kill Carbonneau and Gainey.

But in all honesty, I think Montreal needed to do something on deadline day. While Schneider was a good addition, it's not enough. Every NE division team made a move and got better, even if it's slightly better.

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But in all honesty, I think Montreal needed to do something on deadline day. While Schneider was a good addition, it's not enough. Every NE division team made a move and got better, even if it's slightly better.
Say what?

Toronto and Ottawa - Got better in the sense of their re-builds... not better as teams right now
Buffalo - Out with Kotalik, In with Moore. Slightly better at best.
Boston - Brought in Recchi and Montador... realistically depth moves with the roster they have
Montreal - Addressed a big need in Schneider (who's paid immediate dividens), made a depth move in picking up Metropolit

Ironically, you could say the Canadiens made the biggest accquisiton within the division... yet people are throwing hissy fits that no effort was made. They made their deadline trade 2 weeks ago.

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Lang >>> Antropov
Lang is out for the rest of the season and possibly his career?

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Say what?

Toronto and Ottawa - Got better in the sense of their re-builds... not better as teams right now
Buffalo - Out with Kotalik, In with Moore. Slightly better at best.
Boston - Brought in Recchi and Montador... realistically depth moves with the roster they have
Montreal - Addressed a big need in Schneider (who's paid immediate dividens), made a depth move in picking up Metropolit
Toronto got Martin "The Wall" Gerber, and now look to be unbeatable.

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Lang is out for the rest of the season and possibly his career?
His career shouldn't be over, it's said that he might be able to return this year in May if somehow the Habs were still playing which seems unlikely at this point but if somehow they were to do some damage in the playoffs (assuming they make it) he might be able to return this year. The more likely bet is that he will be back in the fall.

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haha, that's a great one, yes lets get another rookie coach and gm, great idea! At least he's French though, that's what's important right?
lol, I thought there was going to be a real argument. Should've known, it all leads to that.

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Toronto got Martin "The Wall" Gerber, and now look to be unbeatable.
It's only been one game against a slumping Ovechkin-less Caps. Let's give him some more time to assess his play.

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Patrick Roy as the teams Coach and GM
I hope you do this because the habs would go down in the crapper really fast.

Honestly, I think you need to fire your coach, he has not done a good job this year. And maybe move away from the French-only coaches for awhile if there are more qualified non-French candidates available. The city is bilingual, I don't understand why it's such a problem to have an English-speaking coach. Maybe that's an ignorant thing to say, but it seems like you're passing up better coaches continually, which ultimately hurts the team.

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I think that he would be in there already this season if not for the way the Remparts are playing. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. Just what is so bad about loading up on Quebec born players...it worked back in the day.
As Robinson, Durnan, Morenz, Dryden, Blake, Lach, Gainey, Shutt worked back in the day. Having Quebec born players doesn't guarantee any success. Having good players does.

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Honestly, I think you need to fire your coach, he has not done a good job this year. And maybe move away from the French-only coaches for awhile if there are more qualified non-French candidates available. The city is bilingual, I don't understand why it's such a problem to have an English-speaking coach. Maybe that's an ignorant thing to say, but it seems like you're passing up better coaches continually, which ultimately hurts the team.
This. I think real habs fans wouldn't care less about having an english coach. The media and the casual fan would inevitably bash such a move. The Habs did pass some good candidates in the last 15 years in favour of local guys, some of them with no coaching experience at all (Tremblay, Carbonneau). The organization seems to suffer from a lot of pressure from the media and from a big part of the population. Unfortunately, most of this population are only casual fans and used to follow the habs under Bowman. I don't think die hard fans or the younger generation would mind about that.

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It's only been one game against a slumping Ovechkin-less Caps. Let's give him some more time to assess his play.
Sarcasm. I know I didn't put a smiley in, but come on, I'm a Sens fan. There isn't a Sens fan in the entire world that has a high opinion of Gerber's goaltending "prowess."

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Sarcasm. I know I didn't put a smiley in, but come on, I'm a Sens fan. There isn't a Sens fan in the entire world that has a high opinion of Gerber's goaltending "prowess."
The Leafs can pretty much win in spite of crappy goaltenders, as you can see from Toskala and Cujo's stats this year. We've had the worst goaltending in the entire league and still manage to not be in the bottom 5 of the league.

He did have an impressive outing, though.

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This. I think real habs fans wouldn't care less about having an english coach. The media and the casual fan would inevitably bash such a move. The Habs did pass some good candidates in the last 15 years in favour of local guys, some of them with no coaching experience at all (Tremblay, Carbonneau). The organization seems to suffer from a lot of pressure from the media and from a big part of the population.
They should just suck it up and try to prepare for the public backlash or whatever. They should make the best decisions for the team and not worry about outsider's opinions. If the team gets results, no one will complain.

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