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08-28-2004, 09:26 AM
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Douggy's Streamlined Olympics!

Okay, so throughout the Olympics I've been complaining about certain things, so I decided I'd put my money where my mouth is and "fix" the Olympics.

Here were some of my criteria for choosing events:
- If the sport is determined my judges awarding a score, then it isn't a sport in my books. Bye Bye Diving, Synchro Swimming, Gymnastics, etc. The Olympic motto is "Faster, Higher, Stronger." When they put "Prettier" in there let me know, and I might put those sports back
- If the sport has weight classes, its out. Physical sports like Hockey don't have weight classes for the Olympics, so why should Boxing, Judo, Weightlifting, or Taekwondo?? "But Douggy, a smaller boxer is at a distinct disadvantage because he or she is weaker than his/her opponent! " Well then maybe they don't belong in the Olympics if they aren't good enough to beat someone just because they are bigger. Are there height divisions for Basketball?? What about the High Jump? Nope.
- I tried to slim down the sports that have many different distances and ways to compete (Running, Swimming, Rowing, Cycling). I tried to be fair and arbitrary in every choice I made. In the case of Running, I included a sprint, medium distance and the marathon. With Swimming I went with the sprint, the long distance, the longer medley, the free relay and the medley relay.
- I didn't know how to "fix" Sailing, so I left it out.
- Walking is not a sport, no matter how long you walk for.

Other comments:
- I'm sure some people are going to accuse me of being biased against their favourite sport, or the sport their country is good at. Re-calculate Canada's Medal count and you'll see we didn't do so well in My version of the Olympics. :lol
- I begrudgingly let both Volleyball and Beach Volleyball in. Seems dumb to me to have both, but I guess they are pretty different.
- Same thing with all the thowing events. Can't there be just one?

So Here are the sports I went with:
Archery Individual
Archery Team

Athletics M 100 m
Athletics W 100 m
Athletics M 1500 m
Athletics W 1500 m
Athletics M Marathon
Athletics W Marathon
Athletics M 110 m hurdles
Athletics W 100 m hurdles
Athletics M 4x100 relay
Athletics W 4x100 relay
Athletics M High Jump
Athletics W High Jump
Athletics M Long Jump
Athletics W Long Jump
Athletics M Pole Vault
Athletics W Pole Vault
Athletics M Shot Put
Athletics W Shot Put
Athletics M Discus
Athletics W Discus
Athletics M Javelin
Athletics W Javelin
Athletics M Hammer Throw
Athletics W Hammer Throw
Athletics M Decathlon
Athletics W Heptathlon

Badminton M Singles
Badminton W Singles
Badminton M Doubles
Badminton W Doubles
Badminton Mixed Doubles

Baseball

Basketball M
Basketball W

Beach Volleyball M
Beach Volleyball W

Canoe/Kayak M K1 500m
Canoe/Kayak W K1 500m
Canoe/Kayak M K4 1000m
Canoe/Kayak W K4 500m
Canoe/Kayak M C1 500m
Canoe/Kayak M C2 100m

Kayak Slalom W K1
Kayak Slalom M K1

Cycle: Cross Country M
Cycle: Cross Country W

Cycle: Road Race M
Cycle: Road Race W

Cycle: Track M Sprint
Cycle: Track W Sprint

Fencing W Individual Epee
Fencing M Individual Epee

Field Hockey M
Field Hockey W

Handball M
Handball W

Rowing M Pairs
Rowing W Pairs
Rowing M Eights
Rowing W Eights

Shooting M Trap
Shooting W Trap

Soccer M
Soccer W

Softball

Swimming M 50 Free
Swimming W 50 Free
Swimming M 1500 Free
Swimming W 800 Free
Swimming M 400 Individual Medley
Swimming W 400 Individual Medley
Swimming M 4x200 Medley Relay
Swimming W 4x200 Medley Relay
Swimming M 4x100 Free Relay
Swimming W 4x100 Free Relay

Table Tennis M Singles
Table Tennis W Singles

Tennis M
Tennis W

Triathlon M
Triathlon W

Volleyball M
Volleyball W

Water Polo M
Water Polo W

EDIT: Later I plan on re-calculating the medal standings... but that'll take a while and I'm not going to start until all the events are done.

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08-28-2004, 09:57 AM
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- If the sport has weight classes, its out. Physical sports like Hockey don't have weight classes for the Olympics, so why should Boxing, Judo, Weightlifting, or Taekwondo?? "But Douggy, a smaller boxer is at a distinct disadvantage because he or she is weaker than his/her opponent! " Well then maybe they don't belong in the Olympics if they aren't good enough to beat someone just because they are bigger. Are there height divisions for Basketball?? What about the High Jump? Nope.
You're not serious here, are you ?

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Why let softball? it's the same as baseball only with weird pitching and bigger balls. Let's have baseball for W an M.

As for your weight class it's pretty dumb, i mean some great 70kg boxer would be out just because he faces some average 120kg fat boxer?!?

And for weightlifting, i mean your own body weight (muscles) gives you a HUGE advantage to lift 110kg or 170kg....

I have nothing against "prettier" sports with judges but i feel alot of them are extremely biased. what they should is have for example 10 judges and RANDOMLY pick 5 scores each times so no judge can help or not an athlete...Also what's the deal with having the nationalities of the judges, they should be anonymous!!

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why did you keep baseball?
Douggy, this is why you're so funny.

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Why let softball? it's the same as baseball only with weird pitching and bigger balls. Let's have baseball for W an M.
I guess more girls play fastball/softball than baseball. But as long as there is no duplication, it doesn't matter to me which is in there.

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why did you keep baseball?
Douggy, this is why you're so funny.
Am I missing something? Why NOT keep baseball? And whats so funny?

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Why keep shooting? Honestly?

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Why keep shooting? Honestly?
Cuz Serbs are good at it

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no 4 x 400 relay?...I really am starting to think that Rugby, although I don't know how often rugby teams play and how many days they have off in between???...sounds like a good idea to me though

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Cuz Serbs are good at it
Only if the targets are blindfolded or running away from the shooter.

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I'm looking forward to a battle between the Olympic champions judo Keiji Suzuki (+100kg) and Tadahiro Nomura
(-60kg) with the next Olympics in Peking. I mean, Tadahiro Nomura doesn't belong in the Olympics if he's not good enough to beat someone who's bigger.

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Remove road cycling, baseball and soccer, those are not true olympic sports.

And please add the weight classes again, don't be silly

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I'm looking forward to a battle between the Olympic champions judo Keiji Suzuki (+100kg) and Tadahiro Nomura
(-60kg) with the next Olympics in Peking. I mean, Tadahiro Nomura doesn't belong in the Olympics if he's not good enough to beat someone who's bigger.
Indeed.

And btw, Douggy, high jump is not a sport. It's an event and comparable to a single weight class on its own. Track & field is the sport.

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Remove road cycling, baseball and soccer, those are not true olympic sports.

And please add the weight classes again, don't be silly
If you take out baseball and soccer, shouldn't you also take out basketball? I wouldn't mind if they took out all of those types of sports.

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This is complete chaos. Why not just say "screw the olympics" if everyone wants to take more and more events out? Cycling? It's a sport. So if Baseball and Soccer.

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Taekwondo anyone ?

Raus !!

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- I begrudgingly let both Volleyball and Beach Volleyball in. Seems dumb to me to have both, but I guess they are pretty different.
We must have Beach Volleyball. MUST.

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/beach_vo...r&prov=reuters

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We must have Beach Volleyball. MUST.

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/beach_vo...r&prov=reuters

Or its a must that we get rid of it ASAP.

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Or its a must that we get rid of it ASAP.

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/beach_vo...vbb163&prov=ap
You're right. Men's Beach Volleyball = Gone.

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This is complete chaos. Why not just say "screw the olympics" if everyone wants to take more and more events out? Cycling? It's a sport. So if Baseball and Soccer.
Who said they're not sports? But are they Olympic sports? I don't think they are. Bowling's a sport but I wouldn't want to see it in the olympics.

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Cycling and soccer simply don't have an olympic history, that's why I don't want them there.

And I'm a huge fan of both.


IMO the olympics should mainly serve for games that don't have their own huge events. Cylcing has the classics and the World Championships. Football has it's international, continentel and national competitions.
The cylists and footballers don't care much at all about the olympics, and I think it's the same with Baseball and Basketball (you're right Vyacheslav I agree on that one).


Track and field only has world championships, and they don't get much exposure, same with swimming. Both are the core of the olympic games as far as I'm concerned.

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IMO the olympics should mainly serve for games that don't have their own huge events. Cylcing has the classics and the World Championships. Football has it's international, continentel and national competitions.
The cylists and footballers don't care much at all about the olympics, and I think it's the same with Baseball and Basketball (you're right Vyacheslav I agree on that one).
That's pretty sound reasoning. Add Tennis to that group.

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Track and field only has world championships, and they don't get much exposure, same with swimming.
They both do have continental championships, though. And isn't the IAAF World Championships in athletics one of the biggest sport events in the world? As far as I know, only the Olympics and the FIFA World Cup can compare to it.

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That's pretty sound reasoning. Add Tennis to that group.
Yup, tennis is another one that should be added to the list.
(Even though it provided Belgium's only gold medal)

I think the olympics are fine though for the rest, so I'll disagree with the rest of your trimmed olympics

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They both do have continental championships, though. And isn't the IAAF World Championships in athletics one of the biggest sport events in the world? As far as I know, only the Olympics and the FIFA World Cup can compare to it.
That's true, but when you look at how they compare to the olympics...

I mean Paris 2003 was just seen as the general repetition for Athens 04.
At the end of an athlete's career the olympic titles matter most, not the world championships. For instance everyone will remember Chris Gatling, not Kim Collins.

In Cylcing, tennis, basketball, baseball and most certainly soccer, an athlete's career is not made or broken by the olympics.


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I mean Paris 2003 was just seen as the general repetition for Athens 04.
At the end of an athlete's career the olympic titles matter most, not the world championships. For instance everyone will remember Chris Gatling, not Kim Collins.

In Cylcing, tennis, basketball, baseball and most certainly soccer, an athlete's career is not made or broken by the olympics.
OK, I think I see your point: the Olympics should be built around ancient Greece's heritage and not to include every major sport in the world. Right? That's indeed one way to look at it.

But give it time. The IAAF World Champs are only two decades old; who knows how appreciated they are, say, 50 years from now. And in tennis, most pros already value the Olympic tennis tournament quite high, many of them even consider it 'the fifth Grand Slam'.

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OK, I think I see your point: the Olympics should be built around ancient Greece's heritage and not to include every major sport in the world. Right? That's indeed one way to look at it.
Something like that.

I don't think it should be only the ancient heritage though, for instance I would like to see a full triathlon added instead of just the quarter...
Furthermore I have no problem with all the Judo, Boxing and other medals. I also don't agree with the assumption that a sport wich judges involved is not a sport.

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