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03-09-2009, 06:23 PM
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Just wondering on deadline deals that didnt happen?

Im just curious to see if any of you know of deadline day deals that were on the table that have gone but didnt happen for whatever reason?

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I saw somewhere that the Flyers were discussing Lupul, Upshall, JVR and a pick for J-Bo. Florida said they wanted Hartnell too, which is horrible overpayment...

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I saw somewhere that the Flyers were discussing Lupul, Upshall, JVR and a pick for J-Bo. Florida said they wanted Hartnell too, which is horrible overpayment...
I saw that too but it wasnt lupul AND upshall it was lupul or Upshall, JVR and a 1st. Florida wanted hartnell instead of lupul or upshall and the Flyers wouldnt budge.

I guess that lets everyone know where Hartnell stands, they clearly think he is much more valuable than Lupul if they wouldnt make the upgrade from Lupul to Hartnell. Either way that trade is a huge overpayment for a FA to be.

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I saw that too but it wasnt lupul AND upshall it was lupul or Upshall, JVR and a 1st. Florida wanted hartnell instead of lupul or upshall and the Flyers wouldnt budge.

I guess that lets everyone know where Hartnell stands, they clearly think he is much more valuable than Lupul if they wouldnt make the upgrade from Lupul to Hartnell. Either way that trade is a huge overpayment for a FA to be.
And I would totally agree that Hartnell is more valuable than Lupul.

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Upshall was apparently very close to going back to Nashville.

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And I would totally agree that Hartnell is more valuable than Lupul.
Oh def, but its a little surprising that it was obviously so much of a gap between the 2 in Homer's eyes that the trade couldnt be worked out. The fact that it was upshall or Lupul for sale means the flyers view them two about similar in value where as before the season hartnell and lupul were closer in value and much higher than Upshall. Lupul has taken a nose dive in value.

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I saw somewhere that the Flyers were discussing Lupul, Upshall, JVR and a pick for J-Bo. Florida said they wanted Hartnell too, which is horrible overpayment...
That report was from the Ottawa Sun, and I don't know the credibility there.

I find it really hard to believe that any deal wouldn't have included a defenseman going the other way.

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Apparently we were granted an extension on the deadline to negotiate a contract with Lehtonen, but when one couldn't be agreed upon, the trade didn't happen.

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Apparently we were granted an extension on the deadline to negotiate a contract with Lehtonen, but when one couldn't be agreed upon, the trade didn't happen.
Does that happen often? Must have been really close if they were granted extra time.

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Apparently we were granted an extension on the deadline to negotiate a contract with Lehtonen, but when one couldn't be agreed upon, the trade didn't happen.
Count me as happy that didn't happen. I was not interested in Lehtonen. Especially at the cost of JVR, as I saw reported.

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03-09-2009, 08:35 PM
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Wasnt there another rumor of something like Giroux, Coburn, 1st, and something else for J-bo?

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Wasnt there another rumor of something like Giroux, Coburn, 1st, and something else for J-bo?
That was a Florida fan who posted that deal. I didn't see anywhere else where that deal was being reported.

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That was a Florida fan who posted that deal. I didn't see anywhere else where that deal was being reported.
Oh really? Thanks yea have the time I cant tell with all the rumors going around this place.

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I think there was something with Nashville that involved Upshall, Niittymaki, and Dan Ellis. Apparently Poile was upset not to get Upshall back.

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The fact that it was upshall or Lupul for sale means the flyers view them two about similar in value where as before the season hartnell and lupul were closer in value and much higher than Upshall. Lupul has taken a nose dive in value.
And yet we still undervalued Upshall in a trade.

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Upshall was apparently very close to going back to Nashville.
I also heard there were talks of Lupul going to Nashville as well. I don't know what the return was.

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I also heard there were talks of Lupul going to Nashville as well. I don't know what the return was.
Could have been. Glenn Healy said on the Fan590 that Nashville ahd a 4 player trade that they couldn't do because of Nashville's self improsed cap. He said that it was a 190k difference between the deal being done or not.

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What type of player are we expecting JVR to be? Are we undervaluing him? He was picked 2nd overall, do we think he'd be a 60/pt a year player? There's a stigma with trading a pick that was that high in the draft in my mind personally. I'd just hate to see in 3 years even if we did have a successful JBo, JVR was a 30 goal/ year player before his prime

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What type of player are we expecting JVR to be? Are we undervaluing him? He was picked 2nd overall, do we think he'd be a 60/pt a year player? There's a stigma with trading a pick that was that high in the draft in my mind personally. I'd just hate to see in 3 years even if we did have a successful JBo, JVR was a 30 goal/ year player before his prime
I've heard comparisons to Rick Nash, but I don't know...Rick Nash is a ****ing beast!!! I thought he was more of a playmaker than a goal scorer. I've also read that he's labeled as a power forward, but I don't think it's necessarily of the physical variety, rather than size and his strength on the puck.

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What type of player are we expecting JVR to be? Are we undervaluing him? He was picked 2nd overall, do we think he'd be a 60/pt a year player? There's a stigma with trading a pick that was that high in the draft in my mind personally. I'd just hate to see in 3 years even if we did have a successful JBo, JVR was a 30 goal/ year player before his prime


Given the size and obvious other similarities....I always come back to Bobby Ryan. Both are big but neither really is a "power forward" in the truest sense of the word. Both big skilled guys that can skate. I'd think JVR would be the stronger skater of the two but Ryan's obviously strengthened his during his stint in the minors. If JVR does attain Ryan's status in the NHL, we're going to have some fun here. I expected more at the WJC'S but he was still very impressive in spurts. There are posters who know much more about him and could give a much better analysis than mine though.

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That report was from the Ottawa Sun, and I don't know the credibility there.

I find it really hard to believe that any deal wouldn't have included a defenseman going the other way.
Yeah, the fact that it cames from the Ottawa Sun makes it pretty unbelievable, IMO. I don't even think the Panthers could afford to take on that much salary. Jacques Martin also specifically said he was looking for a top 4 defenseman in return.

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Apparently we were granted an extension on the deadline to negotiate a contract with Lehtonen, but when one couldn't be agreed upon, the trade didn't happen.
I don't really believe this one since Lehtonen is an RFA so there was no need to rush to sign Lehtonen to an extension on deadline day. It doesn't make sense to me.

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Yeah, the fact that it cames from the Ottawa Sun makes it pretty unbelievable, IMO. I don't even think the Panthers could afford to take on that much salary. Jacques Martin also specifically said he was looking for a top 4 defenseman in return.


I don't really believe this one since Lehtonen is an RFA so there was no need to rush to sign Lehtonen to an extension on deadline day. It doesn't make sense to me.
Im glad it didnt happen if it was close. Im not sold on Lehtonen being the goalie we need. Hes good but with his injury history and the fact that the Flyers light him up every game its tough to have confidence in him. But also there arent too many options out there besides trading for a Dan Ellis so who knows whats best.

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JVR is a better skater then Bobby Ryan.
I still think there is a shot Bouwmeester gets traded at the draft. Of course they will not get nearly the same package as they could have gotten if they dealt him at the deadline. Dont shock me in the least that Florida wanted Hartnell over Lupul, both will be making pretty much the same money next season and Hartnell brings more to the table.
I still think Lupul could get traded at the draft as well. Maybe to Minnesota for Harding. The Wild will need a scoring winger to replace Gaborik who is probably done in Minnesota. Philly will need a goaltender. makes sense to me anyway.
If Holmer would have traded Coburn for a unsigned Bouwmeester he should be fired on the spot.

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I also heard there were talks of Lupul going to Nashville as well. I don't know what the return was.

I think I remember it was Hamhius(sp)..coming back.


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Yeah, the fact that it cames from the Ottawa Sun makes it pretty unbelievable, IMO. I don't even think the Panthers could afford to take on that much salary. Jacques Martin also specifically said he was looking for a top 4 defenseman in return.
Not just the newspapers credibility, but roster spots for each player...it just didn't add up. It was rumoured that the Canucks were dangling Bieksa in a package for JBo, and if I were JM, I'd much rather Bieksa than Carle or Jones.

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