This means that Dorsett is in Syracuse to start the year and gets called up for injuries.
So it fits within the Roster limits.
I kind of thought Dorsett and Boll were both wavier-eligible.
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I kind of thought Dorsett and Boll were both wavier-eligible.
From the way I understand it, Dorsett is not eligible but Boll is.
I know that understanding the waiver rules may be more difficult than understanding who built Stonehenge, but from what I understand is that since Boll signed in NHL contract at the age of 19 in 2005, he has 4 years to be exempt from waivers unless he played in at least 11 games when he was 19 in which he didn't. So that would put him as waiver eligible starting next year.
Dorsett, who I put in Syracuse to start the year signed at 19 in 2006 and did not play in 11 games at the age of 19, so he is not waiver eligible until after the 09-10 season. So we could send him up or down all year next season.
I may be wrong on this, but that is how I understand it. And of course, Mayorov and Sestito are still not waiver eligible. So those could be our 3 players that fill the roster if 2-3 guys go down.
I kinda have a feeling that murray might flip with boll.
I like the look of the lines above from cbjfan and think its a nice look to the side but if we flip Murray with Boll,as wrcstyl suggests, who is our agitator type player to police the Tootoo's?
I think we need to have an agitator, physical style player. I have to say I am not convinced on either Boll/Dorsett to truly fill the role on the team, but they do both seem able to contribute hockey wise and will both drop the gloves.
Its just not good to drop the gloves and get thrown around like a doll.
Honestly, I read through but didn't fully digest your entire post, so I may have some quibbles with the details, but the idea Howson should be moving anyone but the 12 forwards and 6 defensemen who would comprise anyone's opening night lineup is preposterous.
Wah? Are you trying to say that we shouldn't move a prospect? I'm lost I think.
Did someone really mention Svitov with a straight face? Man that dude just won't die will he?
Are you trying to say that you shouldn't turnover any of the roster because they might be a NHL player?
Did someone really mention Svitov with a straight face? Man that dude just won't die will he?
Apparently I worded that post poorly, as two posters have gone public with their confusion over it.
What I'm saying is, just because the team might have more NHL-type players than it has room for on the roster doesn't mean they should be moved. Depth is good.
That said, it also doesn't mean I'm opposed to moves. In fact, I encourage them. Add another forward to the mix? Awesome. Add a d-man who can shoot and move the puck? Beauty.
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Apparently I worded that post poorly, as two posters have gone public with their confusion over it.
What I'm saying is, just because the team might have more NHL-type players than it has room for on the roster doesn't mean they should be moved. Depth is good.
That said, it also doesn't mean I'm opposed to moves. In fact, I encourage them. Add another forward to the mix? Awesome. Add a d-man who can shoot and move the puck? Beauty.
Ahh, ok.. I tend to agree. However, as Howson won't put underachievers on waivers, so it's kind of annoying really. He protects no value (he couldn't trade them if he wanted to) assets for some reason. Other teams have no problem putting those guys on waivers and bringing up someone that the coach might actually use. He risked a couple of players, but only because he pretty much had to.
From the way I understand it, Dorsett is not eligible but Boll is.
I know that understanding the waiver rules may be more difficult than understanding who built Stonehenge, but from what I understand is that since Boll signed in NHL contract at the age of 19 in 2005, he has 4 years to be exempt from waivers unless he played in at least 11 games when he was 19 in which he didn't. So that would put him as waiver eligible starting next year.
Dorsett, who I put in Syracuse to start the year signed at 19 in 2006 and did not play in 11 games at the age of 19, so he is not waiver eligible until after the 09-10 season. So we could send him up or down all year next season.
I may be wrong on this, but that is how I understand it. And of course, Mayorov and Sestito are still not waiver eligible. So those could be our 3 players that fill the roster if 2-3 guys go down.
Wasn't Dorsett the one shooting off his mouth at the beginning of the year about he didn't care if he got sent down because he would get claimed?
Look I would like to keep them all also but the fact is if you can't play them you have to rely on players who don't have to pass through waivers to be your call ups. If there is a team in this league that has a target on them when it comes to waiver revenge it has to be this one. what is your count on GM's who may like a crack at messing with us the way Howson has them...Rhetorical question...there are more than enough to risk having to have someone clear waivers.
If we have a borderline player who may have to bounce back and forth we can't have them be waiver eligible or we probably will lose them. We have to get out of our heads that the rest of these guys are a bunch of Picards who can clear waivers at any given time. Trade the borderlines or make room for them and trade for upper level players while we have a position of power. We are not talking about dropping a valued player here we are talking about dealing from a position of strength to fill a position of weakness.
Ahh, ok.. I tend to agree. However, as Howson won't put underachievers on waivers, so it's kind of annoying really. He protects no value (he couldn't trade them if he wanted to) assets for some reason. Other teams have no problem putting those guys on waivers and bringing up someone that the coach might actually use. He risked a couple of players, but only because he pretty much had to.
I agree with this also.
The key to my point being having "NHL-type" players. It's a whole separate discussion as to whether certain players who I won't name for fear of sparking said discussion are actually those kind of guys.
The key to my point being having "NHL-type" players. It's a whole separate discussion as to whether certain players who I won't name for fear of sparking said discussion are actually those kind of guys.
Agreed. Lord knows my list of those "certain" players is larger then most. Understand where you are coming from now. Thanks for the explanation.
I like the look of the lines above from cbjfan and think its a nice look to the side but if we flip Murray with Boll,as wrcstyl suggests, who is our agitator type player to police the Tootoo's?
I think we need to have an agitator, physical style player. I have to say I am not convinced on either Boll/Dorsett to truly fill the role on the team, but they do both seem able to contribute hockey wise and will both drop the gloves.
Its just not good to drop the gloves and get thrown around like a doll.
That's why Tollefsen is in the lineup next season
He's RFA, so he'll get an offer from Howson and stay here for another year unless he gets a better deal somewhere else. If it's a two-way offer he'll probably head for Europe and get a better deal there.
He's RFA, so he'll get an offer from Howson and stay here for another year unless he gets a better deal somewhere else. If it's a two-way offer he'll probably head for Europe and get a better deal there.
It will be interesting what happens. Assuming the defense stays roughly the same he needs to beat out atleast 1 of Methot or Russel to get into a full lineup. Backman is gone IMO. Rome is also there but Tollefsen should be able to beat out him.
7th D, tops. I doubt he will even see that. Too much of a liability, even when healthy. Doesn't matter how physical he is when his play between the whistles is sub-par.
Howson will probably offer him a RFA contract, because he loves to hold on to anything he considers close to an asset. After all he got Williams for Wilson. He'll then wait for an injury or the ocassional shakeup to play a couple of games, then he'll enjoy his time in the presser again. Assuming he can stay healthy for more then a week at a time.
Good guy, but at some point realism needs to kick in. If they Jackets aren't going to play him, someone probably will. Shelly got ice time in SJ, so who knows what's in store for OKT.
If Howson offers new contracts to Manny & Williams & Gratton, there is not going to be any more money to offer fringe players like OKT except for maybe league minimum.
If Howson offers new contracts to Manny & Williams & Gratton, there is not going to be any more money to offer fringe players like OKT except for maybe league minimum.
Roster spots probably kick in before budget concerns. I doubt Gratton sniffs another contract here. Manny and Williams will be very interesting. Gratton doesn't fit into anything that relates to "the plan".
I fully suspect OKT will get a new contract (probably a year) and will compete for a spot. What he does with it will be fully up to him.
Frankly, I would move his rights in the offseason for a 7th. But this is Howson, so he'll probably hold on to him.
Blah is right the biggest thing to watch this off season is what will happen with our center core. we are getting to the point where we have good depth and players who have every skill needed to play in the NHL are not going to get resigned. While it is nice to have 2 of the top 5 face off guys in the league one is already signed through next season and with Brass healthy the other may not be needed. It is a good position to be in when you start bargaining. Ideally one of either williams or Malholtra would be kept unless another center is picked up for First line duties but Brass will most likely take those over. If they keep both Williams and Malholtra we would be looking at a fairly strong center core next year.
The question, on Manny, really isn't do you want him back or not. It's where do you slot him, what Manny's salary demands are, and is he willing to go back to his old role if Brass and Vermette take the top 2 center spots? I think this one really falls back on Manny. I don't think the Jackets want to pay him like a top 6 forward and he might be tempted to see what's out there. Maybe he'll take note of how well that worked out for Hainsey (and to a certain extent, Parma). This could be a very tricky negiotation.
I think we can get Williams back at a pretty decent salary. We are getting his career back on track and he has a pretty good role on the team. Plus we seem to be on the rise. It's a pretty good situation for him and the Jackets really. Assuming the H brothers like what he's bringing.
I am not sure how "tricky' the negotiations will be. I think Howson will tell Manny, "we want you back and here is how much we can pay you. We really hope you will say yes." And Manny will have to decide if he wants to stay to be a part of this power franchise that he helped build or he wants to make the grab for max money as Hainsey did regardless of working conditions. Might be a few dollars to kick around or an extra year on the contract. But mostly it is going to be up to Manny to decide what he wants: max money or a great place to practice his career.
Not that simple EDM. Manny may think that he's a top 6 player now. Either way his numbers, and importance, were inflated by the injuries. This could come down to ice time, and how he's played, as much as anything money related. Fritsche wanted greener pastures because he thought he had more to add. Manny could feel the same way.
This isn't a simple one, by any stretch. Both sides are likely going to have to bend some.
I think Manny knows what he is and that he has an important support role on this team. And I think he knows that on this team the future top line centers belong to Brassard, and probably Vermette. Either he can live with it or not. I really think he can smell the coffee and understand where he fits in. Now, maybe he won't like that and he will leave. But I think he pretty well knows what to expect here.
