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03-10-2009, 12:20 AM
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I'm willing to bet that Pat hits above .290 this year, the .236 is ridiculous. The Trop is an easy park to hit in IMO from what I've seen. Pat as a DH will be awesome.
Also, I think the Trop will be harder for pat to hit in than CBP.

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03-10-2009, 12:50 AM
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I'm willing to bet that Pat hits above .290 this year, the .236 is ridiculous. The Trop is an easy park to hit in IMO from what I've seen. Pat as a DH will be awesome.
Um, I'll take that bet please.

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Um, I'll take that bet please.
If it was on vBookie I'd do it. He's my favorite player so I'm incredibly biased, but I don't see it as impossible that he does that well. I predicted that he'd hit 30 homers 2 years back. I called Mark Eckel on WIP and said that and he called me stupid and hung up on me. That fatass should stick to football.

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I actually did a little project out of sheer interest comparing his and Mike Schmidt's numbers from the first 7 years of their career and they are pretty damn similar. Schmidt had the edge in home runs I believe, but that was it if I remember. I did it a while ago.

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I actually did a little project out of sheer interest comparing his and Mike Schmidt's numbers from the first 7 years of their career and they are pretty damn similar. Schmidt had the edge in home runs I believe, but that was it if I remember. I did it a while ago.
Really?

OPS+ over First 8 years (with 400+ ABs):

Burrell:

2000-106
2001-110
2002-146
2003-90
2004-107
2005-128
2006-122
2007-127
2008-128

Schmidt-
1974-158
1975-142
1976-150
1977-150
1978-122
1979-154
1980-171
1981-199

Also Schmidt is arguably the best defensive 3B ever while Pat is an awful LF. Frankly I see no comparison.

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There's no way that Burrell is sniffing .290 at the plate

What makes you think he'll have a career-high average at the age of 32? And after 3 consecutive years in the .250's?

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Really?

OPS+ over First 8 years (with 400+ ABs):

Burrell:

2000-106
2001-110
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2003-90
2004-107
2005-128
2006-122
2007-127
2008-128

Schmidt-
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1975-142
1976-150
1977-150
1978-122
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1980-171
1981-199

Also Schmidt is arguably the best defensive 3B ever while Pat is an awful LF. Frankly I see no comparison.
Oh, obviously theres no question in fielding. I really just looked at BA HR RBI and OBP when I was doing the comparison. I'm in no way saying Pat Burrell is Mike Schmidt, just that Schmidt played some of his best baseball later on in his career so that Pat could do the same possibly. I'm just hopeful as a Burrell fan. I can safely cheer for him in the regular season seeing as the Phils play the Rays at most 3 times a year.

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Oh, obviously theres no question in fielding. I really just looked at BA HR RBI and OBP when I was doing the comparison. I'm in no way saying Pat Burrell is Mike Schmidt, just that Schmidt played some of his best baseball later on in his career so that Pat could do the same possibly. I'm just hopeful as a Burrell fan. I can safely cheer for him in the regular season seeing as the Phils play the Rays at most 3 times a year.
I hope he succeeds. I always liked Pat, and going to Tampa makes it easy to still root for him. My fear for him is that, considering his fielding, any slip in offensive production will be tough for any team to bear.

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Phils 3-9-09 Recap

Howards hits his league leading 4th Spring Training Homer in an 8-4 loss to Cincinnati. Jenkins also homered. Hamels gave up 2 hits and 2 earned runs in 2.2 with 3 K's.

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Kendrick is getting lit up right now. In 3.0 innings he gave up 2 home runs and 8 ER on 10 hits.

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Kendrick is getting lit up right now. In 3.0 innings he gave up 2 home runs and 8 ER on 10 hits.
Someone really needs to step up and earn the fifth starter job. I don't want to see us go with the slightly less terrible guy. Happ has looked okay, but I'm not totally sold.

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I was never a big Burrell Fan......My parents have season tickets in left field, so when ever I would get to go, I would let him hear it......I was all for moving Victorino to center, cause there he could cover for pat...........he basically played center and left......

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I was never a big Burrell Fan......My parents have season tickets in left field, so when ever I would get to go, I would let him hear it......I was all for moving Victorino to center, cause there he could cover for pat...........he basically played center and left......
You were one of those people, eh? I have season tix in left field and to be honest, I hated you. The guy could do nothing right and it ****ing pissed me off when people would get on his back for no reason. I had to literally shriek at a guy to get him to shut the **** up.

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Kendrick is getting lit up right now. In 3.0 innings he gave up 2 home runs and 8 ER on 10 hits.
Can we cross Kendrick off the race for #5 finally?


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Someone really needs to step up and earn the fifth starter job. I don't want to see us go with the slightly less terrible guy. Happ has looked okay, but I'm not totally sold.
I agree. I actually am a big Happ fan. Not totally sure why, but I am. lol

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I think Happ is gonna take the spot personally. Park has some good stuff too but they are gonna want to save him for the bullpen.

I think Kendricks days are done. He was good at first before everyone learned to hit him. Also his spring training ERA is some where around 14-16.

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I'll always give Kendrick the major props for what he did 2 years ago, that was honestly more than anyone could have asked for... but he's been so ineffective. I wish him the best, maybe he can convert into a long reliever?

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Can we cross Kendrick off the race for #5 finally?




I agree. I actually am a big Happ fan. Not totally sure why, but I am. lol
I'm goona go ahead and say Kendrick is fully crossed off. It's less that I'm really down on Happ, than that I'm frustrated because I really hoped Carrasco would show us something more.

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I'll always give Kendrick the major props for what he did 2 years ago, that was honestly more than anyone could have asked for... but he's been so ineffective. I wish him the best, maybe he can convert into a long reliever?
I don't think realistically we can even hope for that. Lefties just murder him.

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John Mayberry hit his 3rd homer. Hes gonna get a bench spot.

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Maybe Chan Ho Park can get back to the... well he wasnt ever really that great. I'd like to see the Phils possibly trade a low end prospect for a veteran reliable number 5... maybe someone like a Paul Byrd but NOT PAUL BYRD. I wanted to see what it took to get Aaron Haran from the Reds, I mean they're getting younger anyway.

If Roy Halladay is available by midseason, I'd trade whatever the Jays wanted that we have for him.

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John Mayberry hit his 3rd homer. Hes gonna get a bench spot.
Amaro absolutely fleeced Texas on that deal.

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I think Happ is gonna take the spot personally. Park has some good stuff too but they are gonna want to save him for the bullpen.

I think Kendricks days are done. He was good at first before everyone learned to hit him. Also his spring training ERA is some where around 14-16.
I like Happ a lot, I think he's the most obvious candidate at this time. Either him or Park IMO...and I'd rather have Park in the bullpen, and sometimes as a spot starter.

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I'm goona go ahead and say Kendrick is fully crossed off. It's less that I'm really down on Happ, than that I'm frustrated because I really hoped Carrasco would show us something more.
Carrasco is still just 21. I never expected him to take the 5th spot, and was hopeful that he would even compete for it. He still has a lot of development left, mainly on his curveball, and his control.

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John Mayberry hit his 3rd homer. Hes gonna get a bench spot.
I really hope so. An outfield with Victorino, Werth, Mayberry and Dominic Brown in the future looks pretty nice. Thats if Werth resigns after his deal.

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Amaro absolutely fleeced Texas on that deal.
I'm so glad that Gillick is still an "advisor" to the Phils. Apparently he picked out Mayberry and told Amaro to get him. Gillick is so good at picking up other teams garbage and turning them into good players. Werth, Moyer, Lidge, Romero, Victorino (I think it was Gillick), Durbin, Dobbs, and now it appears Mayberry is the next in that line.

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Just noticed this thread, and read through some of the discussions and wanted to make some of my own comments:

First, regarding the 5th starter spot, before the spring I would have guessed that Kendrick would get it, and that Happ and Carrasco would battle it out for 6th/7th (i.e. - first/second called up). However, having seen how poorly Kendrick has pitched, coupled with the fact that his confidence is apparently shot, you'd have to assume Happ will be the fifth starter. I feel Carrasco is best served getting some time at triple AAA, and I would put money down that he will see some big league action before the all star break. I felt that even after the signing Park would be best served coming out of the bullpen.

Second, as for Mayberry, as much as I love what he's doing, it does him no good to sit on the bench all summer, so I would be shocked if he didn't play in Lehigh Valley this season where he can get the at bats necessary to continue his development. However, as long as he keeps it up, look forward to adding a nice bat in September or in the event of an injury.

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****!!!!

Cole Hamels to have his elbow examined in Philly.

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CLEARWATER, Fla. (AP)—Phillies star pitcher Cole Hamels is scheduled to leave training camp Monday afternoon and fly to Philadelphia to have his left elbow examined by the team physician.

“He’s had a little bit of a persistent soreness in his elbow; we do not believe it’s serious,” Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said. “But at least at this time we thought it was important for Dr. (Michael) Ciccotti to check him out and see if there’s anything more serious than we think it is.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

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