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03-12-2009, 02:24 PM
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here's a Cammalleri "basher" for ya. how's THIS for nonchalant... were Dean able to sign Mike for a reasonable amount, i'd have zero problem with it... he's going to score goals, we all know that.

ain't gonna happen though, and the biggest reason is because they are too much alike... it wasn't Dean. it wasn't Cammalleri -- it was BOTH of them.
YOU ARE RIGHT, it aint gonna happen....I have heard what DL has to say about Cammy in private and its not warm and fuzzy, far from it. The reality of the bargainning was that the NHLPA tried to use Cammy to set high a comparable, (based on Vanek's offer sheet 7 yrs @ 7mMM per) and Cammy, as the NHLPA player rep for the Kings went along with it. THAT IS WHERE THE 6MM original demand came from. In response DL lowballed him, and the parties dug their resepective trenches. The rest is history, and personal attacks.

I'd take him back in heartbeat. DL and half the posters on this board wouldn't.

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03-12-2009, 11:44 PM
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Yep, I would too. I think that would be awesome!
You're damn right it would. He might get his share of goals, but his turnovers and lack of defensive ability in his own zone would be the gift that keeps on giving.

Not to mention that at $6M he would be grossly overpaid.

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03-13-2009, 01:20 AM
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You're damn right it would. He might get his share of goals, but his turnovers and lack of defensive ability in his own zone would be the gift that keeps on giving.

Not to mention that at $6M he would be grossly overpaid.

LOL. When your team isn't good enough to convert turnovers, it doesn't really matter how many times the other team turns the puck over...

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LOL. When your team isn't good enough to convert turnovers, it doesn't really matter how many times the other team turns the puck over...
I agree, but since the Kings have been playing pretty well since the all-star break, and are a young team that is only getting better, you must be talking about another team.

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03-13-2009, 01:48 AM
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Yes, the Kings have improved, but they're still in the bottom half of the league even with the surge. Not deadly yet. Need 2nd line center.

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03-13-2009, 02:21 AM
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Am I missing something? Did every 30-40+ goal scorer in the league turn in to Selke finalists overnight? The Datsyuk and Zetterbergs are the exception not the rule.

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03-13-2009, 03:38 AM
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The Kings need a 1st line winger to play with Kopitar whom can bury the biscuit.
Fixed.

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Fixed.
Look at the history of Cup winners. Depth is more important than one line and I can't find a team that's won with the likes of Stoll and Handzus and their number 2.

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Look at the history of Cup winners. Depth is more important than one line and I can't find a team that's won with the likes of Stoll and Handzus and their number 2.
Handzus will be off the books in 2 years. Or did you expect them to with the Cup in the next 2 years? Or maybe we should be tanking the next two years to get that elite center high in the draft? Look at the history of the draft. Drafting high does not equate to winning or a player who is wins.

And the cliche, Rome wasn't built in a day.

Stoll has been to the finals and Handzus has played a lot of playoff games. Those are the type of guys the team will need if and when they do make it to the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=DIEHARD the King fan;18490273]YOU ARE RIGHT, it aint gonna happen....I have heard what DL has to say about Cammy in private and its not warm and fuzzy, far from it. [QUOTE]

********. I'm calling you out on this one. No way he goes out of his way to talk trash to some nobody who stalks him at the Kings practice. Get over yourself.

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03-13-2009, 01:46 PM
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Look at the history of Cup winners. Depth is more important than one line and I can't find a team that's won with the likes of Stoll and Handzus and their number 2.
Have you ever thought that a guy like Handzus was brought into to change the team's attitude and work ethic and Stoll might have been a guy that Lombardi planned to buy low and sell high on?

Stoll (at least in Edmonton) was seen as a guy on the scrap heap that wasn't going to recover from injuries and he's had a nice bounce back year and is going to surpass 20/50. How do you know Lombardi isn't planning to flip him in a package for a elite player now that his value is higher?

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Pavel Datsyuk and Filppula? Hudler? my mom could've centered the second line and they'd have still won.

Andy McDonald and a 21-year old Ryan Getzlaf?

21-year old Eric Staal and the 3-headed 3rd line center -- Brind'Amour, Weight and Cullen?


the last dynamic 1-2 punch up the middle Stanley Cup winner was Lecavalier and Richards.

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the commonality between the last three cup champions was their ability to shut teams down.... oh yeah, and win faceoffs.

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Pavel Datsyuk and Filppula? Hudler? my mom could've centered the second line and they'd have still won.

Andy McDonald and a 21-year old Ryan Getzlaf?

21-year old Eric Staal and the 3-headed 3rd line center -- Brind'Amour, Weight and Cullen?


the last dynamic 1-2 punch up the middle Stanley Cup winner was Lecavalier and Richards.
Brind'Amour had a good year and was a Selke finalist wasn't he?, but yea, I think your point is noted.

Almost all of the Stanley Cup winners have had hot goaltending and a Norris canidate defensman or at least a great defense corps(with maybe the exception of Carolina, but Cam Ward was pretty nuts then).

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03-13-2009, 02:22 PM
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Brind'Amour had a good year and was a Selke finalist wasn't he?, but yea, I think your point is noted.
...and Pahlsson, and Datsyuk AND Zetterberg... i don't necessarily think that the vast majority of hockey pundits are stupid when they say defense wins championships, regardless of how many times we try to be cute when we hork all over them.

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Am I missing something? Did every 30-40+ goal scorer in the league turn in to Selke finalists overnight? The Datsyuk and Zetterbergs are the exception not the rule.
No, of course you're not missing anything, but most 30-40 goal scorers that make over $5M make the other players around them better. You don't pay a guy that kind of money when it is a requirement that he play with real good players in order to attain those kind of numbers.

For the record, I would be fine with paying a guy like Cammalleri around $4M a season, but no way would I give him over $5M.

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No, of course you're not missing anything, but most 30-40 goal scorers that make over $5M make the other players around them better. You don't pay a guy that kind of money when it is a requirement that he play with real good players in order to attain those kind of numbers.

For the record, I would be fine with paying a guy like Cammalleri around $4M a season, but no way would I give him over $5M.
Who did he play with during his 80 point season??

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Who did he play with during his 80 point season??
Frolov.

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Frolov.
This is a guy I would pay $5M. The question is will Lombardi do it. It's debatable since he's a wing and not a center, and I'm sure Dean would like to get him at a discount.

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No, of course you're not missing anything, but most 30-40 goal scorers that make over $5M make the other players around them better.
Looking at the goal scoring leaders I'm not sure I agree with that. Do Kovalchuk, Hossa and Vanek at 7+ million a year really make other players better? Play great defense? Marleau at 6.3? Jeff Carter? Loui Eriksson?


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For the record, I would be fine with paying a guy like Cammalleri around $4M a season, but no way would I give him over $5M.
I don't disagree with that. 6 million like was mentioned earlier, definitely not. 5? In the Kings case probably not because they have so much money tied up in Stoll and Handzus and Cammalleri doesn't solve the first or second line center problem.

He showed in '06 and '07 he doesn't need to play with an Iginla to score 30 goals. No offense wabwat


Edit: Left out the main point of my posts. All this just to say your posts make it seem like he is the only scorer in the league that is one dimensional.


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