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03-14-2009, 05:50 AM
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Zherdev Struggles May Help Blueshirts Avoid Arbitration

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Barring a goal-scoring spree over the final 14 games, which the Blueshirts would more than welcome, the impending 24-year-old Group II free agent will not be in position to hit a salary arbitration home run should he fail to reach a contract agreement with GM Glen Sather before July 1.

At his current pace, Zherdev will score 23 goals, three fewer than he scored last year for Columbus and four under the career high of 27 he established with the Blue Jackets in 2005-06. As such, though he surely will gain an increase over the $2.5 million per year he has earned throughout his expiring three-year contract, he's not likely to score a multi-year deal above the $3-$3.5 million range.

Zherdev also is extremely unlikely to attract an offer sheet to use as leverage against the cap-stressed Rangers. The Blueshirts have nine players under contract for $41.1 million against a ceiling that likely will fall between $55 and $58 million - depending on final season revenues and whether the NHLPA exercises its 5-percent bump for next season
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Do we even know if the Ranger want him, or if Zherdev wants to come back? I feel like this is not even a money issue at this point for either side - more like a desire to have him on the team (or Zherdev's desire to stay).

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Why wouldn't Zherdev want to return and why wouldn't the Rangers want to re-sign him?Don't say because Torts benched Zherdev on Thursday night.That's foolish.

Zherdev was quoted two months ago saying he wanted to stay in New York and had no interest in playing in Russia.

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I'm not sure if I want him back on a multi year deal, he is a great passer & creates offense, but hye needs to shoot the puck more, we have plently of guys who can pass the puck, Gomez, Naslund, we need guys to finish.

One thing Z does that we need is he can carry the puck end to end, only he & Gomez can do that on a regular basis as far as the forwards go.

I won't lose much sleep if he walks at seasons end. I would like to see one of the prospects come up & take his spot or scower the F/A market to see what is comparble out there.

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I'm not sure if I want him back on a multi year deal, he is a great passer & creates offense, but hye needs to shoot the puck more, we have plently of guys who can pass the puck, Gomez, Naslund, we need guys to finish.

One thing Z does that we need is he can carry the puck end to end, only he & Gomez can do that on a regular basis as far as the forwards go.

I won't lose much sleep if he walks at seasons end. I would like to see one of the prospects come up & take his spot or scower the F/A market to see what is comparble out there.
Silliness. He has the most points on the team and is clearly the most talented player we have. I think he will eventually thrive under Torts, much like Lecavalier (not that he'll become that good). If we can lock him up for multiple years, especially for a relatively inexpensive deal, you gotta do it.

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excelent news...hopefully we can sign him in the 3 mill range, along with Antorpov, then trade rosi for some extra room, especially since he is not a top 3 d man for us....

and maybe we resign mara, and then bring up potter and someone else for the 5th and 6th spot.....

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Why wouldn't Zherdev want to return and why wouldn't the Rangers want to re-sign him?Don't say because Torts benched Zherdev on Thursday night.That's foolish.

Zherdev was quoted two months ago saying he wanted to stay in New York and had no interest in playing in Russia.
thats funny, I think a certain player named Brendan Shanahan said the same. Now look where he is? (Not always the players choice, bud)

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why wouldnt someone want zherdev back? cause he got benched by torts one game? please. the kid has a world of talent and it torts can get him to into the system we can see his scoring dramatically increase

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This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. 3 year deal, 3.5 mill per. Callahan and Dubi will get around 2 a piece for 2-3 years.

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I like the kid but so far he seems like a 2nd line winger to me. He's still young so perhaps he can become the #1 I thought we were getting from all the excitement. Theres lots of room for potential but I see a lot of Kovalev (when he was in NY) in this kid. I wouldn't be shocked or upset if he was traded.

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I wouldn't be too upset to see him go only if we find a decent replacement for 3 million. I don't think letting him go to replace him with someone with no experience from the AHL is such a good idea. This team has 30 less goals scored than any other EC team in the playoffs right now. Imagine what it would be without Zherdev

I think Zherdev easily has 40-40 potential. If he stays, hopefully Tortorella can get the best out of him and he gives us at least a season or two of that. Also, we might possibly get to see a Zherdev - Anisimov - Grachev line

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thats funny, I think a certain player named Brendan Shanahan said the same. Now look where he is? (Not always the players choice, bud)
That's because the Rangers decided not to re-sign Shanahan.Have the Rangers made that determination with Zherdev?If you already know,elighten us bud.


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of course he will be brought back. this team can't score and he can

I actually think we are freaking about the cap now but guys will fit in. If they can save on Dubi and Zherdev then a guy like Antropov may be able to be brought back

Cally and Sjo have to come back

I really see Betts, Orr, Mara, Morris all gone.............if they move Rozi then they could bring Mara back and let Sangs step in for PP time and Sauer maybe as the 6th

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3.5 for Zherdev? Get it done. That's a hell of a value considering what Gomez and Drury are getting.

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LOL at people not wanting I'm back and even bigger LOL at people thinkng Sathr won't want him back.

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Theres lots of room for potential but I see a lot of Kovalev
In his dreams.

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Why wouldn't Zherdev want to return and why wouldn't the Rangers want to re-sign him?Don't say because Torts benched Zherdev on Thursday night.That's foolish.

Zherdev was quoted two months ago saying he wanted to stay in New York and had no interest in playing in Russia.
Two months ago this team was very different...he just got benched during a game and is playing for a much tougher coach. Two months is plenty of time for things to change. I don't think he has changed his mind but the possibility is there.

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Two months ago this team was very different...he just got benched during a game and is playing for a much tougher coach. Two months is plenty of time for things to change. I don't think he has changed his mind but the possibility is there.
Yes the possibility is there...but we're talking about 2 separate issues. Whether HE wants to come back is obviously important. That said, why any Rangers fans wouldn't want him back (and at a bargain basement price of 3-3.5m) is another...and that one is mind boggling.

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This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. 3 year deal, 3.5 mill per. Callahan and Dubi will get around 2 a piece for 2-3 years.
Dubi will get 2?... I see Cally and Dubi getting around 1.5

Petr Prucha got 30 goals and he had a 1.6 mil contract, how do you expect Dubi and Cally to get more. Dubi hasn't done squat this season and Cally deserves a 1.5

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LOL at people not wanting I'm back and even bigger LOL at people thinkng Sathr won't want him back.
Exactly Sather loves this guy...he will be back barring an insane offer sheet from another team.

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In his dreams.
Actually just go back and watch. One to many moves just like Kovy.

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Actually just go back and watch. One to many moves just like Kovy.
Oh, there's all the bad in him that Kovalev had. Just my opinion but Kovalev is in a completely different stratosphere of talent and ability. But I actually remember Kovalev. Most people just perpetuate the same stereotypical lazy Russian nonsense. I remember how instrumental Kovalev was to winning a cup. I remember exactly how frustrating he was at times. I remember that he could never break through that hump. But I remember exactly how good he was. Zherdev is no Kovalev. Not by a long shot. Zherdev might be smarter though at a young age. Unfortunately he's not a player that plays on the edge. He's a natural floater. It's hard to change that or ask for more from those types of players. The best you usually can do is surround a guy like that with complimentary talent and hope for the best.

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He's a natural floater.
As was Kovalev, for the most part.

Still, what's the problem with having your best offensive player cherry-picking sometimes? Our defense has been so poor since Leetch left that we've become conditioned to needing the forwards to backcheck to prevent goals. That's not the case in a lot of places, that have defensemen who actually do what they're paid to do, which the two highest-paid defensemen for the Rangers do not.

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and let Sangs step in for PP time and Sauer maybe as the 6th
Maybe I've missed something, but since when are either of these guys ready to play in the NHL..?

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Maybe I've missed something, but since when are either of these guys ready to play in the NHL..?
From what I've seen, but most importantly from the regular posters in the AHL thread(squishy, Immonen) it's pretty clear that Sauer is the most NHL ready and could come in a be a very serviceable #6-almost the same way Girardi came in and played a very sound defensive game. Sanguinetti on the other hand still needs a bit more time. I think now that Staal and Girardi are a couple of years into the league and taking a bit more responsibility, the Rangers could afford to bring in a rookie.

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