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03-16-2009, 12:32 PM
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Redden will play the last 4 seasons of his contract in Hartford. He can get a really good deal on a home in Greenwich or Stamford these days.
Why would any other FA sign with the Rangers again if they did that? Players aren't going to come to a team that buries high profile players in the minors.

Despite Redden's struggles, a guy that gets $6 million + is high profile.

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03-16-2009, 03:54 PM
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Why would any other FA sign with the Rangers again if they did that? Players aren't going to come to a team that buries high profile players in the minors.

Despite Redden's struggles, a guy that gets $6 million + is high profile.
So no FA is going to sign with Dallas either, since they did the same with Avery?

I hope your response isn't something along the lines of Avery deserved the demotion because of the problems he caused, because, clearly, I can respond with something very similar about the issues Redden himself has caused to the NYR organization.

I think most professional athletes understand the NHL is a business, and teams sometimes have to make sacrifices to move ahead. I don't think demoting Redden will have as big an impact as you seem to think.

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So no FA is going to sign with Dallas either, since they did the same with Avery?
no they didn't. notice where Avery is now, they gave him a chance to come back to the NHL.

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I hope your response isn't something along the lines of Avery deserved the demotion because of the problems he caused, because, clearly, I can respond with something very similar about the issues Redden himself has caused to the NYR organization.
burying Avery in the minors (which again, they clearly did not do) wouldn't be seen in the same light as doing the same to Redden. players wouldn't be scared of it, because few of them act like Avery.

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I think most professional athletes understand the NHL is a business, and teams sometimes have to make sacrifices to move ahead. I don't think demoting Redden will have as big an impact as you seem to think.
I think that they understand it is a business, and they will make the business decision to sign with a team that won't bury them in the minors.

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03-16-2009, 05:03 PM
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It's better than than buying out Redden with a cap hit of 10 years at $2.2 million...
Redden will provide more than Penner.

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Why would any other FA sign with the Rangers again if they did that? Players aren't going to come to a team that buries high profile players in the minors.

Despite Redden's struggles, a guy that gets $6 million + is high profile.
Redden is high profile?What?

Players aren't stupid. They know which players are overpaid and who can't play anymore.

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03-16-2009, 05:14 PM
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Redden is high profile?What?

Players aren't stupid. They know which players are overpaid and who can't play anymore.
as pathetic as he is, Wade Redden is still an NHL level defenseman. when you send an NHL defenseman to the AHL for 5 seasons for no other reason than to save cap space people will notice.

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03-16-2009, 05:32 PM
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Redden isn't just overpaid, he's horrible.

He is by no means a top pairing defenseman or the answer to anybody's problems.

Distinctly average NHL blueliner.

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i wouldn't give up on penner so soon. i'd give him another year, hopefully with a different coach, and see how it goes.

difference between redden and penner is that redden has been worn-down and probably doesn't have much left in the tank. penner has it in him - he is still capable of being a solid second-line player - thing is that the tank sputters a lot and the wheels don't have a lot of traction. i can't think of a good metaphor but you get the idea.

penner can still improve.
redden probably won't.

if penner continues to struggle next season whether it be with or without mac-t, it's worth looking into buying out his final year.

maybe i'm just old school with patience level, who knows. i'm not a gm.

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03-16-2009, 06:07 PM
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Why would any other FA sign with the Rangers again if they did that? Players aren't going to come to a team that buries high profile players in the minors.

Despite Redden's struggles, a guy that gets $6 million + is high profile.
This is one of the most tired arguments on this board. Do you really think, for example, if Ilya Kovalchuk hits free agency he's going to be sitting there thinking about Wade ****ing Redden and then reject an offer from NY?

If anything, your argument will make older players think twice about signing lucrative or long term contracts for fear of losing their game and being buried in the minors.. and that's only a good thing for the league moving forward.

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03-16-2009, 06:07 PM
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No f-ing way. Dustin Penner for Redden is already big overpayment, add Nilsson who has been great lately, makes me want to puke. We dont need Redden at all.

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Souray, Vishnovsky, Gilbert, Redden, Grebeshkov, Smid/Staios/whoever.

That's one damn lethal offensive core of defenceman, but you're going to need it with pucks flying in your net all the time because as a whole they can't play d.
Visnovsky is a good defenseman.

He was -18 last year because the Kings used 264,165,351 different goalies that couldn't even outplay Cloutier.

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The only way the rangers are getting rid of Redden is by putting him in the minors. The rangers will end up paying him 6.5mil a year to play minor league hockey but at least it won't count agaisnt the cap

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The oilers woudn't do penner straight up for redden let alone add Neilson to it

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Would rather keep Redden.

No thanks.

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Would rather keep Redden.

No thanks.

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Redden has been very good lately.

Looks great under Torts so far.

Penner is just not a great player and isn't worth the 2M in savings.

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no they didn't. notice where Avery is now, they gave him a chance to come back to the NHL.
Like they had a choice. Please.

As long as a player has some type of value to a team, there will be a market for him. Sending Redden to Hartford will give him a chance that some team out there might bite for his services.

Redden @ half-price might be reasonable enough for a desperate team... Hopefully..




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burying Avery in the minors (which again, they clearly did not do) wouldn't be seen in the same light as doing the same to Redden. players wouldn't be scared of it, because few of them act like Avery.
A player doesn't get buried in the minors if there's interest in that player. If nobody takes Redden @50% salary, how the hell is that burying somebody in the minors? Nobody wants him. . .

The Rangers wouldn't be ending his career by sending him to Hartford.

Redden's play+contract, or value, is ending his own career. He's burying himself, and if a potential free-agent is stupid enough to base his signing decision on this one situation, then I'd pass on the buffoon. Blessing in disguise, the way I see it.


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I think that they understand it is a business, and they will make the business decision to sign with a team that won't bury them in the minors.
Same crap has been said about trading free-agents after they've recently been signed. Yet numerous high-profile players didn't avoid signing long-term deals here in NYC shortly after what happened with 2 free-agents named Cullen and Ward, who didn't last more than a season after they signed with us as UFA's.

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for Dustin Penner and Robert Nilsson

Penner has three more seasons at $4.25 million per.Nilsson has a $2 million cap # but is owed $4.5 million in actual salary.2 more seasons.

MacT can't stand either Penner or Nilsson.



http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/...pector_penner/

The Rangers make Penner the highest paid player in AHL history and Edmonton gets a player who will better off playing in a smaller market instead of in the bright lights on Broadway.Nilsson is a throw in to make the money work.

Redden has 8 teams on his NTC list.Would he accept a trade to Western Canada?Why wouldn't he?

Bad contracts for bad contract.

Can you imagine John Tortorella coaching Penner?
This trade is douable if Edmonton Lubo or Lubo + for a really good forward.

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as pathetic as he is, Wade Redden is still an NHL level defenseman. when you send an NHL defenseman to the AHL for 5 seasons for no other reason than to save cap space people will notice.
Other NHL players didn't hold the Kasperitis situation against the Rangers.

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Redden's play+contract, or value, is ending his own career. He's burying himself.
Sounds like you blame him for taking the contract offered to him. It's not like he is playing worse than he did last season (especially now). If you were him you'd take it too.

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Other NHL players didn't hold the Kasperitis situation against the Rangers.


Sounds like you blame him for taking the contract offered to him. It's not like he is playing worse than he did last season (especially now). If you were him you'd take it too.
I blame him for not living up to the contract he's being paid.

Not for accepting it.

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Really?

To NY: Dustin Penner + Robert Nilsson
To Edm: Redden + Sanguinetti + 1st

Yea yea.. I know this would never happen..

But if this was proposed, would you still say decline?
Still wouldn't do it.

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Other NHL players didn't hold the Kasperitis situation against the Rangers.
they kept him in the minors for one season, and he wasn't even close to an NHL quality player at that point

and Boom Boom, I don't think the Rangers would put Redden on re-entry.

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I would rather have Penner and Nilsson. I doubt Edmonton does this.

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Penner is decent in his own end even if he is not scoring. They both are garbage, Penner being slightly less useless.

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Because Edmonton really needs more highly paid offensive d...
The main difference is that Edmonton's highly paid dmen are worth their salary.

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