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03-12-2009, 05:22 PM
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WOW, guess you never heard of EJ. By far and away huh?
Johnson is a better asset than Visnovksy, but RIGHT NOW (as in when EJ returns from injury), I'd say Lube still has a few months to a season of being superior to Johnson.

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03-12-2009, 05:38 PM
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F-That..Lubo and the 4th already could get us that pick. The 1st isnt neccesary and this wouldnt guarentee us J-Bo.

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The Oil clear the necessary cap space to grab JBo, who wants to play in his hometown.
Is this anything like

-- Sakic wants to play in his hometown of Vancouver?
-- Lecavalier really wants to play in Montreal?
-- [insert player here] wants to play in Toronto?

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03-12-2009, 06:00 PM
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Johnson was better than Lubo by the 2nd half of his rookie season.
OK.

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Is this anything like

-- Sakic wants to play in his hometown of Vancouver?
-- Lecavalier really wants to play in Montreal?
-- [insert player here] wants to play in Toronto?
Could be. Or there could be legs to it. He was known to be hesitant of playing here in the past, but talk around the city suddenly changed on that front this year. Jay spends his summers here, and is very close to his family who is all here as well. Stranger things have happened then a Canadian kid signing with his hometown team.

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03-12-2009, 07:33 PM
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F-That..Lubo and the 4th already could get us that pick. The 1st isnt neccesary and this wouldnt guarentee us J-Bo.
Lubo and a 4th absolutely wouldn't land you that pick.

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I don't see why the Oilers would do it.

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03-12-2009, 07:47 PM
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Lubo and a 4th absolutely wouldn't land you that pick.
I'm shocked at the lack of respect Lubo is getting. Any team would be ecstatic if they could get a d-man of his calibre with the 8-10 overall pick in the draft. What a ridiculous notion that St. Louis wouldn't do that deal. Rarely do highly rated d prospects actually turn out. Between 1995-2004 the only top 20 d-men (which Vishnovsky is) that were drafted in the 1st round are: Cam Barker, Brent Burns, Dion Phaneuf, and Jay Bouwmeester. The number of good d men, average d men, below average, and busts FAR outweigh the d men that were drafted in the 1st round that turned out to be top 20 calibre.

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03-12-2009, 08:28 PM
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OK.
laugh it up. his last 30 games were dominant. his numbers were more impressive as well, especially considering he was a rookie.

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03-12-2009, 08:39 PM
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03-12-2009, 11:12 PM
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I'm shocked at the lack of respect Lubo is getting. Any team would be ecstatic if they could get a d-man of his calibre with the 8-10 overall pick in the draft. What a ridiculous notion that St. Louis wouldn't do that deal. Rarely do highly rated d prospects actually turn out. Between 1995-2004 the only top 20 d-men (which Vishnovsky is) that were drafted in the 1st round are: Cam Barker, Brent Burns, Dion Phaneuf, and Jay Bouwmeester. The number of good d men, average d men, below average, and busts FAR outweigh the d men that were drafted in the 1st round that turned out to be top 20 calibre.
I wouldn't necessarily say it is a lack of respect. I think most realize Visnovsky is a fine (offensive)defensemen. The problem is he holds little value to St. Louis because of his contract(maybe even negative value). I think he is overpaid, but not to a huge degree. The biggest issue is the duration of his contract. If he were only signed for a season or two after this year he would have more value(to STL). Also St. Louis has pieces in place that will potentially bring to the team exactly what Visnovsky would. For the price+length of his contract St. Louis could do better.

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03-13-2009, 12:25 AM
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The Blues can not take on more salary on the back end. So, if we were to get him, then we would have to move some first or as part of the deal. Both of those scenarios seem unlikely.

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03-13-2009, 12:38 AM
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He isn't overpaid at all. look at his numbers, defensively and offensively. Any player of that caliber would easily make at least 6 mill on the open market.

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laugh it up. his last 30 games were dominant. his numbers were more impressive as well, especially considering he was a rookie.
K thanks I will. A 30 game stretch doesn't mean he's a top pairing D man yet. Gagner had a great last 30 games that season too and he was an 18yo rookie. So by your logic is he then a 1st line C?

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03-13-2009, 09:16 AM
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Blues have no interest for the same reasons LA no longer wanted Lubo. By the time STL and LA turn the corner in their rebuild, Lubo will be on the downside of his career.

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03-13-2009, 09:21 AM
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Lubo and a 4th absolutely wouldn't land you that pick.
I agree. No one is trading a top 10 pick for an older offensive defenseman with a big contract.

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03-13-2009, 01:44 PM
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The point is the Blues don't want to pay the man, period.
It's not a knock on him so quit being homers, let it go, it's a bad deal FOR THE BLUES!
Find someone else that can absorb more back end salary next season and there's no need for a pointless debate about the guys value vs his contract. (Anaheim might be one place to start, considering the Neids will he or won't he merry-go-round and only have 2 D under contract...)

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03-13-2009, 02:00 PM
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This thread is ridiculous.

Oilers get railed on value. Lubo is 4th among defensemen for points since the lockout, and will miss 32 games this year. The man is brilliant, an utter gem, we miss him dearly.

The 7-11 talent isn't so superior to the 11-16 talent that its necessary to give all that up just to move 4-5 spots up (maybe).

Erik Johnson is a tremendous asset, untradeable, however to say that after his rookie year he is superior to Visnovsky is arrogant & ignorant.

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03-13-2009, 02:06 PM
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isnt STL only 2 points back of the Oilers now ?? by next week EDM's pick will probably be worth more then STL's ..

STL- 7 wins last 10 games
EDM 3 wins last 10 games

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03-13-2009, 02:46 PM
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Blues fans are sure touchy aren't they? Lol.

If Jbo signed here, I wouldn't trade Vis.

The blues can have Gilbert and Chorney since they value unproven rookies over proven elite veteran D.

We'll Keep Vis, but thanks anyway!

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03-13-2009, 02:52 PM
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Edmonton fans really overrate Visnovsky's value. He has less value now then he did when he was traded from Los Angeles.

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03-13-2009, 03:50 PM
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Hmm...let's see how much cap room the Blues have dedicated to defensemen next season (and how many years they have left on their contract):

Brewer - $4.25MM (2)
McKee - $4MM (1)
Johnson - $3.7MM (1)
Jackman - $3.625MM (3)
Pietrangelo - $3.225MM (3)
Colaiacovo - $1.283MM (1)
Polak - ~$1.5MM? (RFA)

Strachan - $590k (1)
Woywitka - ~$725k (RFA)

Sure, let's take on Visnovsky and his $5.6MM cap hit for four more years. It's not like we have any money tied up in defense already. It's not like Colaiacovo won't be a UFA and Perron and Johnson won't be RFAs after next year, and Berglund and Oshie will be RFAs the year after that. Nah, we wouldn't get ourselves into cap trouble with that deal.

I know that Johnson and Pietrangelo won't make that full cap amount, but you don't know what bonuses they will and will not hit, so you need to give yourself some space. Right now we have $21.583MM in cap space tied up in our top 7 defensemen next season. I don't think we can add any more, especially long-term, given the youngs guys we are going to have to re-sign.

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03-13-2009, 04:04 PM
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Blues fans are sure touchy aren't they? Lol.

Pot meet kettle.

It is funny how most Blues fans have come in and stated why they would make the deal. Basically money - no need to handycap the team cap wise when they will have to sign key RFAs in the next 3 years..... To the Blues - the value isn't there because of the legnth of the contract - not the player involved.

But the Oiler fans say the Blues fans are out of wack because of this...

It is a cap issue, not player.

As for the EJ thing, who cares.. His injury has set him back 1 year in development and at this point he hasn't shown for a full season his play is on par with Vis., but that doesn't mean he wont surpass him in the next year or 2.

If I were the Blues and looking to move our 1st rounder - then I think we should address the most basic need. A backup goalie - kind of like Harding.

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03-16-2009, 10:03 PM
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If St.Loo is in the 8-10 range, and the Oilers 15-17

To STL: Visnovsky, EDM 1st, EDM 4th

To EDM: STL 1st, STL 3rd

STL moves back anywhere from 5-9 spots in the 1st rd, and from say another 35 spots in a 3rd for 4th swap. With plenty of caproom, they land a smooth skating proven puckmover (unless they feel Coliacovo is the man) that would look great along EJ next year. The move back doesn't really effect a team that already has the best group of prospects in the league.

The Oil clear the necessary cap space to grab JBo, who wants to play in his hometown.

Thoughts?
This deal doesn't work at all because there's a good chance that St. Louis will be ahead of Edmonton in the standings at the end of the year based on their play in the last month.

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03-16-2009, 11:13 PM
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I can understand why St. Louis doesn't make that deal... but the fact is, they'd be absolutely bending Edmonton over.

A top 15 defenseman to move down what... 5 spots?

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03-16-2009, 11:20 PM
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this trade make sense only if you were the former Detroit Lions General Manager and wanted to show how dumb you can be.Think before you post this garbage

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