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03-17-2009, 11:31 PM
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Tired of the same stuff!

You know , this thread will get shut down, and what ever, hope it does not...not ranting , just fed up.

Good points 1st.

Price is a find, give this guy time.......but hard for the young guy , until habs get a strong team in frt of him.

now the sheet.

5 year plan up his ace, this team is a c-, and after all the bs of how it will compete, and crap, bob is running out of time,(bob 's face tells the story, he failed, in the respect that no assets here).
not saying he should be canned, but come on, no stars to show for sheet.

phil has richards, det (well you know), ana has getz,neids, (yes they are missing the playoffs, but a cup how long ago?) , sj has ( well you know)

and so on


but now I get flak for saying , this, and you say, well the nhl is so close, and ayayayayayya

this team the habs are storied, as are the wings, and yet we don't come close.

hate to say it, but TO is giving there fans more to cheer for(even though the camara is glued to brukes ace), this team has squat.

i am tired of watching a habs team that is lost.

Bob won't trade, wont pull the trigger.

if bob is banking on pulling the trade of the year , getting #4 out of TB.

and when that fails then what?

be real fans, what ?????????????????????????????

rebuild again?

i bleed this team, and i am sick, enought of the 50% , when does this team gain

phil have what we have, and they finished at the bottom how many years ago???

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03-17-2009, 11:39 PM
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I agree that it's time for Gainey to go. Unless I missed something, with the exception of the Rivet trade, all he did was taking bad decisions.

But at least we have great scouts so there is hope.

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and not saying that guys like PK and others are not good hope, but that is 3-4 years away.

5 year plan, is what i am asking about?

and let's comment on that.
not draft picks

a 5 year plan, should be kicking in right now, not 3 years from now

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03-17-2009, 11:43 PM
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I agree that it's time for Gainey to go. Unless I missed something, with the exception of the Rivet trade, all he did was taking bad decisions.

But at least we have great scouts so there is hope.
i agree, hope is there, PK etc.

but i don't think bob should go, but admit bob , to the fans at least that this team is not where it should be

he won't do that, and it pisses me off, not all the drafts are bad, but sheet, this team could have had a richards

bob is trying the BIG trade of #4, ( which would be great), but he is trying to hit a home run, with JUST the draft, and it fails

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03-17-2009, 11:46 PM
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I can understand the frustration but (except for 3rd) the Habs were one shootout goal way from being equal on the score sheet as NY who have lost more home games than the Habs...

And Detroit and Philly may have theirs but we got out Markov

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I can understand the frustration but (except for 3rd) the Habs were one shootout goal way from being equal on the score sheet as NY who have lost more home games than the Habs...

And Detroit and Philly may have theirs but we got out Markov
yes, but det has zet, dats, lids, and that wins cups

we have breeze by.

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s.o.s same old **** different day ....

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i guess , i am a different sort of fan.

this team in my days does not play this way.

bob did not

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Tired of the same stuff!

Not really, but I tried Miller High Life last week while in the States anyway.

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yes, but det has zet, dats, lids, and that wins cups

we have breeze by.
Ya, name the guy who's always scratched. Ok so they have better scouts then Montreal.. It's not a science. + Datsyuk and Zetterberg were not always good in the play-offs. it took them a few years to grow. Give the Habs some time...

Datsyuk
2003-04 Detroit NHL 12 0 6 6 +1 2 19 .00
2002-03 Detroit NHL 4 0 0 0 -3 0 9 .00
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I hope you are right about Price. I truly wish he returns from to his old form. Since the All Star Game itself he has been poor. He is not at all as sharp as he once was. To his credit I do see positives in his game and often Price is burnt by the worst defensive performances from our D that I have ever seen in the last 3 years.

The ongoing problem for the habs is and has been defensive zone coverage. No surprise that was the theme of the Practice held on Monday. Komisarek is not the same old Komisarek he once was. Brisebois is sooo over rated and is a liability, O'Byrne has really stagnated his development. Dandy is ok on D but never plays there...he can be no worse than our beloved Breezer...Cube is so so, there is a reason he is our 5/6th D...and with capmagedon looming wtf are we doing paying him MORE than our top D Komisarek. Even with capmagedon coming Komisarek will be offered sick contracts by other teams, he would really need to accept a hometown discount if we have any hope of keeping him and wisely spreading our limited cap money. Hamrlik has been ok as well as Georges, Markov is good.

The offense is ok...it needs less work than the D...our PP is much improved with Schneider (ok on D...at best...but experienced...and lightyears beyond and better Brisebois...) Our offensive needs to shoot more or put more shots up on the board...the fact that we are being consistently outshot is reflective that we are not working as hard as the other team and are making too many errors.

Lastly a very important issue to resolve...is our lack of discipline...We spend to much time on the PK...way too much

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this thread was not made to start fighting,

but for fans to quit turning a deaf ear and blind eye

we are not that good, and if we are, then sure hard to see

this team is always about "in the next couple of years"

and so it goes,

all posters here, even me figured we turned the corner last year, and we went back

so what? all the youth is going to change it for next year???

bob is confused as us, and now has the mess to clean up

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03-18-2009, 10:02 AM
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I just want a team that works hard and look like it wants to win.

Where is the heart and the grit?

I am tired of losing every 50/50 battle in the corner.

I am tired of guys not working their butts off to get the puck out of the zone when the other team has pressure.

Where are the players who lay it all on the line to win a loose puck?

This team is soft and looks like it has no will to win.

Whatever Bob does this offseason, I really hope he brings in some heart and some grit. We need players willing to go the extra mile and make whatever sacrifices are needed to win.

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03-18-2009, 10:10 AM
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In Gainey's first year this team made the playoffs and won a round.

This year, i don't see that happening. 5 year plan = epic fail.

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Ya, name the guy who's always scratched. Ok so they have better scouts then Montreal.. It's not a science. + Datsyuk and Zetterberg were not always good in the play-offs. it took them a few years to grow. Give the Habs some time...]
Small correction, they have a great Swedish scout. Their other draft picks have not been all that great.

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maybe, this team needs another 5 years

where are the hab posters.....post your thoughts.

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03-18-2009, 11:45 AM
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this team is always about "in the next couple of years"

and so it goes, ...
Welcome to my world. This group is the biggest tease since the end of the 70s and every year seems to bring the same old thing again and again. They always manage to get my hopes up everytime a new season starts and then fall flat near the end or during the playoffs. We were better in the first few weeks of the season, but even then, I never really saw any convincing wins. Maybe 2 or 3 but that's about it. I have so much respect for Bob, but I think he's too conservative to be an NHL GM in this day and age. So sick of waiting. There I sit, in front of my tv for almost every single game for the last two decades hoping to witness the birth of something great. I guess I'd better get comfortable...

Where did the passion go? Where are those great passes we saw last season? Where is that scary PP? Where is Waldo?

Man...

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Know what I'm tired of?

Ridiculous rants/reaction threads after losses.

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Know what I'm tired of?

Ridiculous rants/reaction threads after losses.

Yeah, but the difference is that you can choose to ignore those posts. We can't ignore the failure that is becoming the Montreal Canadiens.

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Small correction, they have a great Swedish scout. Their other draft picks have not been all that great.
They listen to their Swedish Scout and that makes them a good scouting team..

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Know what I'm tired of?
Ridiculous rants/reaction threads after losses.
Bathing with a hairdryer is ridiculous. Opinions are not. In my case, this has nothing to do with last night's loss. Absolutely nothing. Yesterday was just another game we played like we were 15th in the East and a win wouldn't have matter at all. And I've been waiting for the last 10-12 years to see see a more than decent team on the ice.

If you are satisfied with this team, that's your opinion and I respect it. But I'm not. Far from it.

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Ya, name the guy who's always scratched. Ok so they have better scouts then Montreal.. It's not a science. + Datsyuk and Zetterberg were not always good in the play-offs. it took them a few years to grow. Give the Habs some time...

Datsyuk
2003-04 Detroit NHL 12 0 6 6 +1 2 19 .00
2002-03 Detroit NHL 4 0 0 0 -3 0 9 .00
2001-02 Detroit NHL 21 3 3 6 +1 2 20 15.00


Zetterberg
2003-04 Detroit NHL 12 2 2 4 0 4 23 8.70
2002-03 Detroit NHL 4 1 0 1 -4 0 10 10.00

Are you saying we might have a Datsyuk or Zetterberg on our team or our system?If you think we do then you're on one hell of a drug!

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Bathing with a hairdryer is ridiculous. Opinions are not. In my case, this has nothing to do with last night's loss. Absolutely nothing. Yesterday was just another game we played like we were 15th in the East and a win wouldn't have matter at all. And I've been waiting for the last 10-12 years to see see a more than decent team on the ice.

If you are satisfied with this team, that's your opinion and I respect it. But I'm not. Far from it.
C'mon, it's just a slump.

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Bathing with a hairdryer is ridiculous. Opinions are not. In my case, this has nothing to do with last night's loss. Absolutely nothing. Yesterday was just another game we played like we were 15th in the East and a win wouldn't have matter at all. And I've been waiting for the last 10-12 years to see see a more than decent team on the ice.

If you are satisfied with this team, that's your opinion and I respect it. But I'm not. Far from it.
agreed, fans here feel , oh well a loss

makes no sense, it has been a season of this, up and down, crap.

and bob has to be somewhat aware that , his plan has been foiled.

losing lang , does not break this team,

bob wants #4 in TB so bad, that he is willing to die on the ice now

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Are you saying we might have a Datsyuk or Zetterberg on our team or our system?If you think we do then you're on one hell of a drug!
No I didn't say that. YOU said that. What I was trying to say (we have to power phrase everything here because every little thing that can be slight ambiguous is always ridiculed) is it takes a few seasons to get a player's full potential.

Hopefully A. Kostitsyn will be a late bloomer, but S. Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Latendresse, Pacioretty, D'agostini, O'Byrne, Stewart and Price are way too young and have not played enough games and/or play-off experience to have reached their potential yet. And I was trying to say that even Datsyuk and Zetterberg took time to reach their potential.

Higgins, Koivu and Kovalev are not having very stellar seasons, There's something wrong with Komi, Hamrlik has been average this season, Tangauy was injured for a long time and Lang out for the season. Let's not forget how both Goalies when through hard periods and couldn't buy a win even if they wanted too..

Combine everything on top of all the off ice distractions the Habs have had this season and you can see why they are struggling to win games.

I DO NOT expect a cup this year. I did so at the beginning of the season but with everything that I mentioned above up to until Carbo losing his job, I just don't see it anymore.. Maybe next year.. Maybe the next. But they need to play well to win games and I can't remember when was the last time Montreal "outplayed" and did not "out skill" a team..

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