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03-19-2009, 11:34 AM
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According to Timmah on CSN, these are the new lines:

Gagne -- Giroux -- Knuble
Briere -- Carter -- Hartnell
Carcillo -- Richards -- Lupul
Asham -- Powe -- Cote
this looks good. i'd put those 11 dudes in any line combo except for cote. who's going to get double shifted for him?

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03-19-2009, 11:39 AM
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According to Timmah on CSN, these are the new lines:

Gagne -- Giroux -- Knuble
Briere -- Carter -- Hartnell
Carcillo -- Richards -- Lupul
Asham -- Powe -- Cote
Not bad, but i would maybe switch Briere and Giroux, Try Danny back with Gags/Knubsy and let Giroux pass all day to CART to HART .

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03-19-2009, 11:39 AM
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this looks good. i'd put those 11 dudes in any line combo except for cote. who's going to get double shifted for him?
Id imagine several people will.

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03-19-2009, 11:41 AM
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I think that this move will move Giroux onto a like with Richards or Carter, so I'm pretty stoked about this.

Some of you freak out entirely too much about line changes, like when Stevens was talking about putting Giroux at 1st line center. That was hilarious how many people were crying about it, then the game happened, and Richards was back at 1st line center by the 2nd period. If it doesn't work out, Stevens will fix it...if he sees something, like Richards having his legs back after missing all that time with the flu, he fixed it by putting him back where he belonged.

We haven't had a fully healthy team all year, and now that we do, we need to find out who works the best together. We already know Hartnell and Carter should be together, Lupul has played nicely with them, but I'm not so attached to that line as some of you are, moreso that duo.

I like what I've seen from Carter and Giroux together on some 4 on 4's lately, and I think Stevens may go that route. Its about time Giroux gets someone who can finish his passes, it has almost been painful watching him play with Powe, Upshall, Asham and Carcillo. They are great players to have on your team, no doubt, but by no means are known for their goalscoring, and they looked lost when they got a pass handed to them from Giroux. Give Giroux someone who can actually finish, and he will be a PPG player.

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03-19-2009, 11:55 AM
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I don't think Carcillo's responsible enough to play center. He's always wanting to take the body, and it's not something he can afford to do as a center without turning into a liability

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03-19-2009, 12:00 PM
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yeah, carcillo should not be a center. he's an energy guy and a role player, and we don't need that at a key position like center. is kalinski ready to come back yet? i liked what i saw from him and i'd put him in for cote as we approach the playoffs.

giroux on the top line? sweet, let's see what the kid can do with top line minutes.

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03-19-2009, 12:04 PM
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well richards has always worked well with lupul, so hopefully that will work out nicely.

i think one of the bigger issues is getting giroux on the PP. forget the fact that briere hasn't done much to warrant his moving up in the lines - he's done zip with his time on the PP. giroux deserves consistent time there because he has consistently been one of our better playmakers during the last month+. give him a couple games on the PP - he'll produce

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03-19-2009, 12:08 PM
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According to Timmah on CSN, these are the new lines:

Gagne -- Giroux -- Knuble
Briere -- Carter -- Hartnell
Carcillo -- Richards -- Lupul
Asham -- Powe -- Cote
Interesting, I guess Briere isn't ready for Center duty just yet (I guess thats a bit obvious). This also gives Giroux someone in front of the net to finish, and someone almost as creative as him to work with him. Also, everyone should know how well Lupul works with Richards, and Carcillo next side to Richards should be fun.

The only problem I see is Briere with Carter, cause Briere is like a woman with the way he finds chemistry with someone, and I don't think Carter is one of Briere's types.

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03-19-2009, 12:16 PM
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I don't think Briere and Carter will work well together. One of the reasons Harts-Carts-Lupes works so well is because Hartnell and Lupul both give up the puck a lot which allows Carter to do his thing.

I'd keep that line together, it's our only line that has done well consistently at ES.

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03-19-2009, 12:24 PM
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I don't think Briere and Carter will work well together. One of the reasons Harts-Carts-Lupes works so well is because Hartnell and Lupul both give up the puck a lot which allows Carter to do his thing.

I'd keep that line together, it's our only line that has done well consistently at ES.
But if it works, the idea of Briere setting Carter up for that wrister makes me really happy.

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03-19-2009, 12:26 PM
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I am not sure what Gagne has done in the last month to justify his place on that first line
Since February 19th he has played 14 games, tallying 5 goals and 9 assists for 14 points. He has scored a point in 13 of his last 16 games.

You are an ass.

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03-19-2009, 12:28 PM
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Ill see what happens.
Giroux with top line minutes gets me excited.

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But if it works, the idea of Briere setting Carter up for that wrister makes me really happy.
Yeah I dunno.

I should have edited my post, I'm not totally against it, this team needs some kind of spark, I just don't think this one will work.

But might as well give it a try, I'd personally be more tempted to put Briere with Richie and Gagne though or just put him with Giroux and Carcillo and give him a lot of PP time, he'd probably still be getting 17-18 minutes per game.

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I think Knuble is best suited for a 3rd line role. thats my major issue.

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03-19-2009, 12:31 PM
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I think Knuble is best suited for a 3rd line role. thats my major issue.
You want Knuble in the high-energy role?

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I think Knuble is best suited for a 3rd line role. thats my major issue.
I've thought that a long time too, but he's picked up his ES play a lot lately, so now I'm not as sure.

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I think Knuble is best suited for a 3rd line role. thats my major issue.
I think Knuble is tailor made to be the third guy on a top line. Can he create on his own? no. But hes tremendous screening and finishing around the net. I mean he's set to score 30. Nothing wrong with that.

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03-19-2009, 12:38 PM
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Simply swap Briere with Asham. Easy and it makes sense

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Gagne -- Richards -- Knuble
Hartnell -- Carter -- Giroux
Carcillo -- Briere -- Lupul
Asham -- Powe -- Cote/*Kalinski (playoffs)

Throw Briere more PP minutes, that'll give him more ice time and then once he starts skating again, he can get a more responsible role in the top 6.

Right now, I promote Giroux before I do Briere.

I know Briere get's paid way too much to be tucked on the 3rd line...but that's where I think he belongs right now.

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03-19-2009, 12:57 PM
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Maybe it's me, but do you guys/girls think that Briere looks like he's ready for the additional ice time yet?

I don't.
Until he shows he can overcome that mental hurdle of opening up his skating, I dont think you can put him on the top 6. You gotta think its all mental with him as hes skating like hes got 20 pounds of cement in his skates compared to what we are used to seeing.

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Awww, poor Hextall.


With the Sabres, Devils, Panthers and Bruins coming up...I have a huge cause for concern with Breire playing more minutes than his groin/hip/confidence will allow. Obviously, only he knows if he's 100% (or as close as can be) but as a fan watching the games at home...he sure as hell doesn't look anywhere close to it.
The Flyers are in Pittsburgh as well inbetween the Sabres and Devils games.

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The Flyers are in Pittsburgh as well inbetween the Sabres and Devils games.
Oops, my bad.

Can you imagine him out on the ice against Crosby or Malkin???



No thank you!

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I applaud any move that attempts to shake this team out of its complacency.


As for Briere, if the problem is all in his head (i.e. his groin is 100%) then he should be playing on a scoring line. If he's forced to compete by being on a line with Richards and Gagne, for example, his confidence will increase in time.

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Oops, my bad.

Can you imagine him out on the ice against Crosby or Malkin???



No thank you!
yeah and even Kunitz with the way hes playing for them,
pass.

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03-19-2009, 01:21 PM
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I really like that third line. Putting Carcillo with Richards is a good idea (for now) and having Lupul play with two very intense linemates is a winner in my book as well. Let's see how this plays out...

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